Patchbay woes...

Tony Scharf noisetheorem at outlook.com
Fri Apr 4 22:20:34 CEST 2014 


>>Thanks for the offer, though I have no way of getting them here. I bet they must be 40 pounds each hah.

It's not so much the weight as the size.  They'd have to be picked up in a van. At some point, I should just toss them...but I hate throwing away anything in such good condition.
Tony

On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:
If you can find a way to get them from Chicago to you, you can have 2 14u furniture racks I have that are completely unused.   They are on nice casters and in good shape.  I don't need them/can't seem to get rid of them.
Tony 
From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:07:24 -0400
To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org

Yea I looked at those but I need something enclosed to hide cable clutter, be on the floor and create another table surface to put some bit of gear on top.
On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:I've got two of these for my racks:
http://www.amazon.com/On-Stage-Stands-RS7030-OnStage-Stand/dp/B000CD1R84/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396628402&sr=8-1&keywords=rack+stand
They are actually very well built and stable. I have them on top of my Ikea desk. Its easy to get in and connect things when I have to and heat is definitely not a problem. easier to clean/dust as well.  
Tony 

From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:19:45 -0400
To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org

Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’
Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow
I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:I like that patchbay!  Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change.  I'd prefer the switches.  If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.
On balanced v/s unbalanced:  I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment.  If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length.  
My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years.  In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad.  
Tony

From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400
To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org

Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.
I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change t he modes (switches)http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/
What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?
Thanks for everyones help.

On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <entropymagnet at noisetheorem.com> wrote:>>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ 
I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom.  It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack.  The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it.  I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway. 
Tony

From: xtechcode at gmail.com
Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200
To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org


I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ 
if you have a cable patched  on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …
I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)
I tried to set it in a kind of  logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)



< /div>
-From TOP at the back  1 to 8  I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed  in // to the Bottom  from 1 to 8  which are routed  to my input sound card (rme). -From TOP at the back  13 to 20 I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed  in // to the Bottom  from 13 to 20  which are routed  to the Adat in -From TOP at the back 9 to 12 I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb: 9 and 10 are routed // to the bottom  ;9 and 10 )-From TOP at the back from 21 to 24 I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out-From Bottom at the back  9 and 10 are routed to minidisk in  ( yes i still have a minidisk :-) -From Bottom at the back <
/font>23 is routed to my Guitar  pedal fx-From Bottom at the back 24  is routed to my guitar rack   fx
nb:  Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …




                   INSTRUMENTS                                               INSTRUMENTS                /    |    |    |    |    |    \   \     AUDIO OUT     &n
bsp; /     /      |      |      |      |      \             ADAT OUTT O P    : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8&nb sp;| 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24               |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |     |    |      
              |       |      |      |      |      |      |      |Bottom : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24               \    |    |    |    |    |    |    /     \   /             &nb sp;        \       \      |      |      |      /      /    /                   |     |               -  Soundcard RME in -  -  MD  -                    -           ADAT IN                 -             -RP10-   -  Rocktron -            

Romain


On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <andrewtarpinian at gmail.com> wrote:Getting my first patchbay(s).

I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :( 

Is it just me?

Also i’m dreading actually figuring out how many cables I need to have EVERYTHING hooked up.


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