Patchbay woes...
Andrew Tarpinian
andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 20:34:33 CEST 2014
Thanks for the offer, though I have no way of getting them here. I bet they must be 40 pounds each hah.
On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:
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> If you can find a way to get them from Chicago to you, you can have 2 14u furniture racks I have that are completely unused. They are on nice casters and in good shape. I don't need them/can't seem to get rid of them.
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> Tony
> From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:07:24 -0400
> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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> Yea I looked at those but I need something enclosed to hide cable clutter, be on the floor and create another table surface to put some bit of gear on top.
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> On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:
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> I've got two of these for my racks:
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> http://www.amazon.com/On-Stage-Stands-RS7030-OnStage-Stand/dp/B000CD1R84/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396628402&sr=8-1&keywords=rack+stand
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> They are actually very well built and stable. I have them on top of my Ikea desk. Its easy to get in and connect things when I have to and heat is definitely not a problem. easier to clean/dust as well.
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> Tony
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> From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:19:45 -0400
> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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> Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’
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> Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow
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> I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:
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> I like that patchbay! Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change. I'd prefer the switches. If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.
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> On balanced v/s unbalanced: I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment. If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length.
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> My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years. In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad.
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> Tony
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> From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400
> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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> Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.
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> I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change t he modes (switches)
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/
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> What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?
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> Thanks for everyones help.
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <entropymagnet at noisetheorem.com> wrote:
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> >>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “
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> I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom. It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack. The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it. I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway.
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> Tony
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> From: xtechcode at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200
> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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> I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …
> Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “
> if you have a cable patched on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …
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> I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)
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> I tried to set it in a kind of logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..
> See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)
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> < /div>
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> -From TOP at the back 1 to 8 I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from 1 to 8 which are routed to my input sound card (rme).
> -From TOP at the back 13 to 20 I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from 13 to 20 which are routed to the Adat in
> -From TOP at the back 9 to 12 I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb: 9 and 10 are routed // to the bottom ;9 and 10 )
> -From TOP at the back from 21 to 24 I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out
> -From Bottom at the back 9 and 10 are routed to minidisk in ( yes i still have a minidisk :-)
> -From Bottom at the back 23 is routed to my Guitar pedal fx
> -From Bottom at the back 24 is routed to my guitar rack fx
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> nb: Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …
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> INSTRUMENTS INSTRUMENTS
> / | | | | | \ \ AUDIO OUT / / | | | | \ ADAT OUT
> T O P : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8&nb sp;| 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Bottom : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24
> \ | | | | | | / \ / &nb sp; \ \ | | | / / / | |
> - Soundcard RME in - - MD - - ADAT IN - -RP10- - Rocktron -
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> Romain
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> On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <andrewtarpinian at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Getting my first patchbay(s).
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> I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :(
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> Is it just me?
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> Also i’m dreading actually figuring out how many cables I need to have EVERYTHING hooked up.
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