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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><div><br><br>>>Thanks for the offer, though I have no way of getting them here. I bet they must be 40 pounds each hah.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's not so much the weight as the size. They'd have to be picked up in a van. At some point, I should just toss them...but I hate throwing away anything in such good condition.</div><div><br></div><div>Tony</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@outlook.com">noisetheorem@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr"><br>If you can find a way to get them from Chicago to you, you can have 2 14u furniture racks I have that are completely unused. They are on nice casters and in good shape. I don't need them/can't seem to get rid of them.<div><br></div><div>Tony <br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:07:24 -0400<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br>Yea I looked at those but I need something enclosed to hide cable clutter, be on the floor and create another table surface to put some bit of gear on top.<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@outlook.com">noisetheorem@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">I've got two of these for my racks:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.amazon.com/On-Stage-Stands-RS7030-OnStage-Stand/dp/B000CD1R84/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396628402&sr=8-1&keywords=rack+stand" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/On-Stage-Stands-RS7030-OnStage-Stand/dp/B000CD1R84/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396628402&sr=8-1&keywords=rack+stand</a></div><div><br></div><div>They are actually very well built and stable. I have them on top of my Ikea desk. Its easy to get in and connect things when I have to and heat is definitely not a problem. easier to clean/dust as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Tony <br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:19:45 -0400<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br>Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’<div><br></div><div>Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow</div><div><br></div><div>I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@outlook.com">noisetheorem@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr">I like that patchbay! Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change. I'd prefer the switches. If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.<div><br></div><div>On balanced v/s unbalanced: I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment. If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length. </div><div><br></div><div>My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years. In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad. </div><div><br></div><div>Tony</div><div><br><div><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br><div>Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.</div><div><br></div><div>I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change t he modes (switches)</div><div><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/" target="_blank">http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/</a></div><div><br></div><div>What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for everyones help.</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com">entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12pt;">>>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ </span></div><div><br></div>I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom. It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack. The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it. I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway. <div><br></div><div>Tony<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:xtechcode@gmail.com">xtechcode@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br><div><br></div><div>I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …</div>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ <br><div>if you have a cable patched on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …</div><div><br></div><div>I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)</div><div><br><div>I tried to set it in a kind of logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..</div><div>See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>< /div><div><br></div><div>-From TOP at the back 1 to 8<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#ff7bf1">1 to 8 </font>which are routed to my input sound card (rme). </div><div><font color="#010201">-From TOP at the back </font><font color="#00f900">13 to 20</font> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#56defa">13 to 20</font><font color="#ff7bf1"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span> </font>which are routed to the Adat in </div>-From TOP at the back<font color="#ff2948"> </font><font color="#ff2d54">9 to 12 </font>I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="# ff2600">9 and 10<span class="ecxApple-converted ecx-space"> </span></font>are routed // to the bottom<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> ;</span><font color="#ff9300">9 and 10<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>)</div><div>-From TOP at the back from<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff2600">21 to 24<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out</div><div>-From Bottom at the back <font color="#ff9300">9 and 10</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>are routed to minidisk in ( yes i still have a minidisk :-) </div><div>-From Bottom at the back<font color="#aa7942"> <
/font><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>is routed to my Guitar pedal fx</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942">-From Bottom at the back <font color="#aa7942">24</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"><span class="ecxApple-converted- ecxspace"> </span> </span>is routed to my guitar rack fx</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><font color="#aa7942">nb: Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> INSTRUMENTS INSTRUMENTS</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> / | | | | | \ \ AUDIO OUT &n
bsp; / / | | | | \ ADAT OUT</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942">T O P :<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="# 4bfa6b">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space">&nb sp;</span>|<font color="#ff5344"> </font><font color="#ff334e">9 | 10 | 11 | 12<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>|<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#00f900">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20</font><font color="#ff321a"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| 21 | 22 | 23 | 24</font></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942">Bottom :<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="D"#ff7bed"">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8<span class="ecxApple-converted-s ecxpace"> </span></font>|<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff9300">9 | 10</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| 11 | 12 |<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#57dcfa">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| <span style="color:rgb(86, 222, 250);">20</span> | 21 | 22 |<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>|<span class="ecxAppl ecxe-converted-space"> </span><font color="#aa7942">24</font></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> \ | | | | | | / \ / &nb sp; \ \ | | | / / / | |</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> - Soundcard RME in - - MD - - ADAT IN - -<font color="#0433ff">RP10</font>- - <font color="#aa7942">Rocktron -</font></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"> </font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942">Romain</font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br></font></div><div><font color="#aa7942"><br><div><div>On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <<a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">Getting my first patchbay(s).<br><br>I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :(<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Is it just me?<br><br>Also i’m dreading actually figuring out how many cables I need to have EVERYTHING hooked up.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>music-bar mailing list<br><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar" target="_blank">http
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