Arctic Ice
Matt Seil
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Thu Dec 15 14:20:29 CET 2011
Wow... that "independent" article is a showboat piece for yellow journalism
if I've ever seen one.
"Shock?" (8000yr warming trend?)
"Deadly?" (Smiles as I take out my lighter.)
Seriously though... read an MSDS on methane sometime... it has no
toxicological effect on anything but offending your nose...
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Matt Seil
Application Developer / Futurist
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> 1. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Tony Scharf)
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> 3. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Tony Scharf)
> 4. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (The Dong)
> 5. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Joost Schuttelaar)
> 6. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Jay Vaughan)
> 7. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Marc Nostromo [M-.-n])
> 8. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Jay Vaughan)
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> 10. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Joost Schuttelaar)
> 11. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (The Dong)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:11:50 -0600
> From: Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at gmail.com>
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> I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short
> time scales is probably selling something.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jay Vaughan <jayv at synth.net> wrote:
> > So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? ?2 years left to party
> and then its extinction time, or .. what?
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> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:16:42 +0100
> From: Joost Schuttelaar <joost at joostschuttelaar.nl>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive
> feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're
> doing to this planet...
>
> --
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> Joost Schuttelaar
> The Hague, NL
>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:
>
> > So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party
> and then its extinction time, or .. what?
> >
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> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:36:00 -0600
> From: Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at gmail.com>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> Doing a search on this, I find a lot of links to blogs or usual
> outlets of trash news, but I havnt found anything that shows the
> original source research, just a lot of references to a 'Russian team
> of climate scientists'. Do you have a source, Jay?
>
> Tony
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Joost Schuttelaar
> <joost at joostschuttelaar.nl> wrote:
> > This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive
> feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're
> doing to this planet...
> >
> > --
> >
> > Joost Schuttelaar
> > The Hague, NL
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:
> >
> >> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? ?2 years left to
> party and then its extinction time, or .. what?
> >>
> >> ;
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> >> Jay Vaughan
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:41:25 +0000
> From: The Dong <dong at f2s.com>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> On 15/12/2011 09:44, Jay Vaughan wrote:
> > So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party
> and then its extinction time, or .. what?
>
> "there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from
> the Arctic in the past 20 years" - Ed Dlugokencky, a researcher
> _tracking methane trends in the atmosphere_
>
>
> Maybe we should just burn it all for electricity?
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:53:47 +0100
> From: Joost Schuttelaar <joost at joostschuttelaar.nl>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
> Message-ID: <2FA17651-A0B4-4BB8-B03F-5234BBF9CF7F at joostschuttelaar.nl>
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> This is the original article Jay might've referred to:
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/shock-as-retreat-of-arctic-sea-ice-releases-deadly-greenhouse-gas-6276134.html
>
> The guy's name is Igor Semiletov. If conclusions are true, then we're
> fucked.
>
> --
>
> Joost Schuttelaar
> The Hague, NL
>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:36 , Tony Scharf wrote:
>
> > Doing a search on this, I find a lot of links to blogs or usual
> > outlets of trash news, but I havnt found anything that shows the
> > original source research, just a lot of references to a 'Russian team
> > of climate scientists'. Do you have a source, Jay?
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Joost Schuttelaar
> > <joost at joostschuttelaar.nl> wrote:
> >> This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive
> feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're
> doing to this planet...
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Joost Schuttelaar
> >> The Hague, NL
> >>
> >> On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:
> >>
> >>> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to
> party and then its extinction time, or .. what?
> >>>
> >>> ;
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> >>> Jay Vaughan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:57:05 +0100
> From: Jay Vaughan <jayv at synth.net>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> > Do you have a source, Jay?
> > Tony
>
>
>
> http://e360.yale.edu/digest/huge_methane_plumes_are_discovered_in_arctic_ocean/3248/
>
>
> http://e360.yale.edu/feature/melting_arctic_ocean_raises_threat_of_methane_time_bomb_/2081/
>
> http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081203/full/news.2008.1275.html
>
>
>
> ;
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> Jay Vaughan
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:03:01 +0100
> From: "Marc Nostromo [M-.-n]" <marc.nostromo at gmail.com>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> > I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short
>
> > > time scales is probably selling something.
>
> Michael Bay !!!
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> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:06:26 +0100
> From: Jay Vaughan <jayv at synth.net>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> >> I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short
> >>> time scales is probably selling something.
> > Michael Bay !!!
>
>
> Who is that anyway? Seriously, I don't really know .. a film guy or
> something right?
>
>
> Methane, methane. How can we rapidly reap the energy in those methane
> plumes, eh? I know! Fuel cells love methane! We need fuel-cell-powered
> methane harvesters! Field deployable, in big large nets ..
>
>
>
> ;
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> Jay Vaughan
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> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:07:44 +0000
> From: The Dong <dong at f2s.com>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
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> On 15/12/2011 11:11, Tony Scharf wrote:
> > I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short
> > time scales is probably selling something.
>
> Nail on head ;)
>
> Or more correctly; this bandwagon has well and truly been got on by all
> those who can charge for your travels...
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:11:26 +0100
> From: Joost Schuttelaar <joost at joostschuttelaar.nl>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
> Message-ID: <81B64332-593B-4712-937B-CC429BD54D20 at joostschuttelaar.nl>
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> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:53 , Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
>
> > If conclusions are true, then we're fucked.
>
> And if not, we're fine:
>
>
> http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/methane-time-bomb-in-arctic-seas-apocalypse-not/#more-40803
>
> --
>
> Joost Schuttelaar
> The Hague, NL
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:24:44 +0000
> From: The Dong <dong at f2s.com>
> To: Music-bar <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse
> Message-ID: <4EE9E70C.9020700 at f2s.com>
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> On 15/12/2011 09:44, Jay Vaughan wrote:
> > So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party
> and then its extinction time, or .. what?
>
> "Quick! Anybody got a match!?" - Boris Johnson ;)
>
> OK. I made that up, but here's some real Boris quotes:
>
> "My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are no disasters, only
> opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters. "
>
> "I can't remember what my line on drugs is. What's my line on drugs?"
>
> "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase
> your chances of owning a BMW M3."
>
> "Why are they called quad-bikes?"
>
>
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