<p>Wow... that "independent" article is a showboat piece for yellow journalism if I've ever seen one.</p>
<p>"Shock?" (8000yr warming trend?)<br>
"Deadly?" (Smiles as I take out my lighter.)</p>
<p>Seriously though... read an MSDS on methane sometime... it has no toxicological effect on anything but offending your nose...</p>
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1. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Tony Scharf)<br>
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3. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Tony Scharf)<br>
4. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (The Dong)<br>
5. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Joost Schuttelaar)<br>
6. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Jay Vaughan)<br>
7. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Marc Nostromo [M-.-n])<br>
8. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Jay Vaughan)<br>
9. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (The Dong)<br>
10. Re: Arctic Methane collapse (Joost Schuttelaar)<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:11:50 -0600<br>
From: Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@gmail.com">noisetheorem@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short<br>
time scales is probably selling something.<br>
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jay Vaughan <<a href="mailto:jayv@synth.net">jayv@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? ?2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:16:42 +0100<br>
From: Joost Schuttelaar <<a href="mailto:joost@joostschuttelaar.nl">joost@joostschuttelaar.nl</a>><br>
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This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're doing to this planet...<br>
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Joost Schuttelaar<br>
The Hague, NL<br>
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:<br>
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> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
><br>
> ;<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:36:00 -0600<br>
From: Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@gmail.com">noisetheorem@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
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Doing a search on this, I find a lot of links to blogs or usual<br>
outlets of trash news, but I havnt found anything that shows the<br>
original source research, just a lot of references to a 'Russian team<br>
of climate scientists'. Do you have a source, Jay?<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Joost Schuttelaar<br>
<<a href="mailto:joost@joostschuttelaar.nl">joost@joostschuttelaar.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
> This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're doing to this planet...<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Joost Schuttelaar<br>
> The Hague, NL<br>
><br>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:<br>
><br>
>> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? ?2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
>><br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:41:25 +0000<br>
From: The Dong <<a href="mailto:dong@f2s.com">dong@f2s.com</a>><br>
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On 15/12/2011 09:44, Jay Vaughan wrote:<br>
> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
<br>
"there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from<br>
the Arctic in the past 20 years" - Ed Dlugokencky, a researcher<br>
_tracking methane trends in the atmosphere_<br>
<br>
<br>
Maybe we should just burn it all for electricity?<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:53:47 +0100<br>
From: Joost Schuttelaar <<a href="mailto:joost@joostschuttelaar.nl">joost@joostschuttelaar.nl</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse<br>
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This is the original article Jay might've referred to:<br>
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<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/shock-as-retreat-of-arctic-sea-ice-releases-deadly-greenhouse-gas-6276134.html" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/shock-as-retreat-of-arctic-sea-ice-releases-deadly-greenhouse-gas-6276134.html</a><br>
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The guy's name is Igor Semiletov. If conclusions are true, then we're fucked.<br>
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:36 , Tony Scharf wrote:<br>
<br>
> Doing a search on this, I find a lot of links to blogs or usual<br>
> outlets of trash news, but I havnt found anything that shows the<br>
> original source research, just a lot of references to a 'Russian team<br>
> of climate scientists'. Do you have a source, Jay?<br>
><br>
> Tony<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Joost Schuttelaar<br>
> <<a href="mailto:joost@joostschuttelaar.nl">joost@joostschuttelaar.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
>> This is one of the most scary parts of climate change, all the positive feedback loops. I'm quite an optimistic person, but not about what we're doing to this planet...<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Joost Schuttelaar<br>
>> The Hague, NL<br>
>><br>
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:44 , Jay Vaughan wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
>>><br>
>>> ;<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Jay Vaughan<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:57:05 +0100<br>
From: Jay Vaughan <<a href="mailto:jayv@synth.net">jayv@synth.net</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:07617C23-77F2-420C-AC2C-162413946819@synth.net">07617C23-77F2-420C-AC2C-162413946819@synth.net</a>><br>
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> Do you have a source, Jay?<br>
> Tony<br>
<br>
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<a href="http://e360.yale.edu/digest/huge_methane_plumes_are_discovered_in_arctic_ocean/3248/" target="_blank">http://e360.yale.edu/digest/huge_methane_plumes_are_discovered_in_arctic_ocean/3248/</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://e360.yale.edu/feature/melting_arctic_ocean_raises_threat_of_methane_time_bomb_/2081/" target="_blank">http://e360.yale.edu/feature/melting_arctic_ocean_raises_threat_of_methane_time_bomb_/2081/</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081203/full/news.2008.1275.html" target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081203/full/news.2008.1275.html</a><br>
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;<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:03:01 +0100<br>
From: "Marc Nostromo [M-.-n]" <<a href="mailto:marc.nostromo@gmail.com">marc.nostromo@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
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> I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short<br>
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> > time scales is probably selling something.<br>
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Michael Bay !!!<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:06:26 +0100<br>
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>> I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short<br>
>>> time scales is probably selling something.<br>
> Michael Bay !!!<br>
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Who is that anyway? Seriously, I don't really know .. a film guy or something right?<br>
<br>
<br>
Methane, methane. How can we rapidly reap the energy in those methane plumes, eh? I know! Fuel cells love methane! We need fuel-cell-powered methane harvesters! Field deployable, in big large nets ..<br>
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;<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:07:44 +0000<br>
From: The Dong <<a href="mailto:dong@f2s.com">dong@f2s.com</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
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On 15/12/2011 11:11, Tony Scharf wrote:<br>
> I think anyone who is promoting geologic catastrophe on such short<br>
> time scales is probably selling something.<br>
<br>
Nail on head ;)<br>
<br>
Or more correctly; this bandwagon has well and truly been got on by all<br>
those who can charge for your travels...<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:11:26 +0100<br>
From: Joost Schuttelaar <<a href="mailto:joost@joostschuttelaar.nl">joost@joostschuttelaar.nl</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse<br>
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:53 , Joost Schuttelaar wrote:<br>
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> If conclusions are true, then we're fucked.<br>
<br>
And if not, we're fine:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/methane-time-bomb-in-arctic-seas-apocalypse-not/#more-40803" target="_blank">http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/methane-time-bomb-in-arctic-seas-apocalypse-not/#more-40803</a><br>
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--<br>
<br>
Joost Schuttelaar<br>
The Hague, NL<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:24:44 +0000<br>
From: The Dong <<a href="mailto:dong@f2s.com">dong@f2s.com</a>><br>
To: Music-bar <<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Arctic Methane collapse<br>
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On 15/12/2011 09:44, Jay Vaughan wrote:<br>
> So .. what do you guys think about that news, eh? 2 years left to party and then its extinction time, or .. what?<br>
<br>
"Quick! Anybody got a match!?" - Boris Johnson ;)<br>
<br>
OK. I made that up, but here's some real Boris quotes:<br>
<br>
"My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are no disasters, only<br>
opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters. "<br>
<br>
"I can't remember what my line on drugs is. What's my line on drugs?"<br>
<br>
"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase<br>
your chances of owning a BMW M3."<br>
<br>
"Why are they called quad-bikes?"<br>
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