Hardware samplers

Matt Seil xeno6696 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 19 17:56:31 CEST 2021 

Deluge... well I've been loving the blackbox so far, but Deluge looks
like a crazy step up. 

Does the deluge allow you to degrade audio easily?  The 505/Fantom-S had
a drop in effect for "bit crushing" that was sooo nice on percussion. 

On 9/19/2021 12:53 AM, Ibi Sum wrote:
> The workflow on Deluge is like nothing else you’ll ever witness.  It
> samples/resamples into oblivion, the only limit is the SD card.
> (Blackbox: same).  In competent hands you won’t even notice the whole
> trick of building up tracks and resampling sections/loops - you’ll
> only witness a performance and not even notice the rest of the
> process, it’s that good.  Zero menu-diving, only peformative actions.
>  The Deludge is in a whole other class of interface, it is light years
> ahead of anything else, but like a true instrument it really does need
> to be learned.  Sampling-wise it is POWERFUL, literally unlimited. You
> will stumble with the interface at first but once you grok the flow -
> and it really is a flow-friendly interface, with zero distractions -
> you will be in sampling nirvana.
>
> Blackbox has the same feel, albeit different workflow, and a little
> more cramped.  I like the Blackbox interface, although it’s a little
> less “flow” oriented than the Deluge, a bit more mode/menu groping.
>  But also, an amazing amount of power - and the recent Blackbox update
> added Granular synthesis, and extra effects - it’s definitely a
> growing and lively platform.
>
> I get the impression that the designers of these machines really
> wanted to take sampling into the 21st century, and they succeeded.
>  It’s very difficult to compare even with the older MPC flow.  The
> Deluge runs rings around the MPC and pretty much everything else.
>
> These are high performance samplers/instruments, with fat emphasis on
> capital-P Performance, as in musical. Kontakt doesn’t even come close.
>
> The only reason I’m keeping my A-sampler rack (I have all of the
> A-samplers except the 7000) around is to do some more Disky work for
> the ~1000 users that are still out there with Win98 PC’s wired up to
> their machines, still quite productively using them in their works.
> And the A-samplers still function as workhorse samplers, still some
> truly stunning users out there pushing the limits… I have some ideas
> for an upgrade to the A-samplers that would make it an amazing
> performance platform too.  Also, they are amazing FX processors in
> their own rights - something the Deluge and Blackbox aren’t quite
> capable of matching .. yet. (Both get seriously great software
> updates.. it’s refreshing to see and very rewarding to observe feature
> requests becoming standard features…)
>
> Peter, get thee a Deluge!  You won’t regret it. If you can’t do that
> for budget reasons get a Blackbox, and if you don’t like it after a
> month I’ll buy it from you.  I have plenty of people in my jam circles
> who want one to replace their MPC or Kontakt rigs…
>
> ;
> --
> seclorum 
>
>> On 19.09.2021, at 07:28, James Coplin <james at ticalun.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I meant the Akai samplers. The Emu that are not the e4 Ultra are
>> reasonable. The ESI series are cheap and even e5000 and e6400 have
>> been going for $500. The e4 Turbo is also really cheap. The Akai
>> stuff is even cheaper and quiet frankly I think they are better
>> samplers. The Z series in particular was fantastic.  And, I have been
>> on ebay and Reverb a lot because I have also been tempted to get a
>> hardware sampler again.
>>
>> That said, the workflow really doesn't make much sense any longer. I
>> ultimately decided against it. Things like Kontakt, Maschine, etc
>> really make much more sense. Maschine in particular is incredibly
>> fast and immediate to work in. Ultimately, as much as I think I would
>> like to have a sampler again, I suspect the reality would be that I
>> would hate it.
>>
>> James
>>
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Andrew Tarpinian
>> <andrewtarpinian at gmail.com <mailto:andrewtarpinian at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     You have have not been on ebay in a while, have you…
>>
>>>     On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:56 PM, James Coplin <james at ticalun.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>     Anything Emu and the later Akai series are amazing and super
>>>     cheap. The later Akai also used IDE drives.
>>>
>>>     James
>>>
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>>>     On Sep 18, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Peter Korsten
>>>     <peter at severity-one.com <mailto:peter at severity-one.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         So I just watched a video by Espen Kraft about his Akai S700 sampler 
>>>         that he bought when Reagan was still president. Sampling at a 
>>>         ridiculously low sampling rate of like 6.3 kHz, it sounded remarkably 
>>>         good. Also, Paolo "SynthMania" had a video about sampling CDs that I 
>>>         found enlightening.
>>>
>>>         Now I've always been dismissive of samplers, associating them with "ah 
>>>         yeah!" and orchestra hit samples, in the worst of 1990s dance music, but 
>>>         when you think about it, they're just synths with very flexible 
>>>         oscillators – provided, of course, that the rest of the synthesis engine 
>>>         is up to snuff.
>>>
>>>         Now Jay is going to say Yamaha A4000/A5000, and those have the advantage 
>>>         of using IDE drives. But what hardware samplers would you say are 
>>>         musically interesting?
>>>
>>>         Hey, the 20 year anniversary is coming up, as is my birthday, and 
>>>         Christmas... 🙂
>>>
>>>         - Peter
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