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<p>Deluge... well I've been loving the blackbox so far, but Deluge
looks like a crazy step up. <br>
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<p>Does the deluge allow you to degrade audio easily? The
505/Fantom-S had a drop in effect for "bit crushing" that was sooo
nice on percussion. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2021 12:53 AM, Ibi Sum wrote:<br>
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The workflow on Deluge is like nothing else you’ll ever witness.
It samples/resamples into oblivion, the only limit is the SD
card. (Blackbox: same). In competent hands you won’t even notice
the whole trick of building up tracks and resampling
sections/loops - you’ll only witness a performance and not even
notice the rest of the process, it’s that good. Zero menu-diving,
only peformative actions. The Deludge is in a whole other class
of interface, it is light years ahead of anything else, but like a
true instrument it really does need to be learned. Sampling-wise
it is POWERFUL, literally unlimited. You will stumble with the
interface at first but once you grok the flow - and it really is a
flow-friendly interface, with zero distractions - you will be in
sampling nirvana.
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<div>Blackbox has the same feel, albeit different workflow, and a
little more cramped. I like the Blackbox interface, although
it’s a little less “flow” oriented than the Deluge, a bit more
mode/menu groping. But also, an amazing amount of power - and
the recent Blackbox update added Granular synthesis, and extra
effects - it’s definitely a growing and lively platform.</div>
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<div>I get the impression that the designers of these machines
really wanted to take sampling into the 21st century, and they
succeeded. It’s very difficult to compare even with the older
MPC flow. The Deluge runs rings around the MPC and pretty much
everything else.</div>
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<div>These are high performance samplers/instruments, with fat
emphasis on capital-P Performance, as in musical. Kontakt
doesn’t even come close.</div>
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<div>The only reason I’m keeping my A-sampler rack (I have all of
the A-samplers except the 7000) around is to do some more Disky
work for the ~1000 users that are still out there with Win98
PC’s wired up to their machines, still quite productively using
them in their works. And the A-samplers still function as
workhorse samplers, still some truly stunning users out there
pushing the limits… I have some ideas for an upgrade to the
A-samplers that would make it an amazing performance platform
too. Also, they are amazing FX processors in their own rights -
something the Deluge and Blackbox aren’t quite capable of
matching .. yet. (Both get seriously great software updates..
it’s refreshing to see and very rewarding to observe feature
requests becoming standard features…)</div>
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<div>Peter, get thee a Deluge! You won’t regret it. If you can’t
do that for budget reasons get a Blackbox, and if you don’t like
it after a month I’ll buy it from you. I have plenty of people
in my jam circles who want one to replace their MPC or Kontakt
rigs…<br>
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<div dir="auto">I meant the Akai samplers. The Emu that are
not the e4 Ultra are reasonable. The ESI series are cheap
and even e5000 and e6400 have been going for $500. The e4
Turbo is also really cheap. The Akai stuff is even cheaper
and quiet frankly I think they are better samplers. The Z
series in particular was fantastic. And, I have been on
ebay and Reverb a lot because I have also been tempted to
get a hardware sampler again.<br>
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<div dir="auto">That said, the workflow really doesn't make
much sense any longer. I ultimately decided against it.
Things like Kontakt, Maschine, etc really make much more
sense. Maschine in particular is incredibly fast and
immediate to work in. Ultimately, as much as I think I
would like to have a sampler again, I suspect the reality
would be that I would hate it.<br>
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You have have not been on ebay in a while, have you…<br>
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<div dir="auto">Anything Emu and the later Akai
series are amazing and super cheap. The later Akai
also used IDE drives.<br>
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<pre class="blue">So I just watched a video by Espen Kraft about his Akai S700 sampler
that he bought when Reagan was still president. Sampling at a
ridiculously low sampling rate of like 6.3 kHz, it sounded remarkably
good. Also, Paolo "SynthMania" had a video about sampling CDs that I
found enlightening.
Now I've always been dismissive of samplers, associating them with "ah
yeah!" and orchestra hit samples, in the worst of 1990s dance music, but
when you think about it, they're just synths with very flexible
oscillators – provided, of course, that the rest of the synthesis engine
is up to snuff.
Now Jay is going to say Yamaha A4000/A5000, and those have the advantage
of using IDE drives. But what hardware samplers would you say are
musically interesting?
Hey, the 20 year anniversary is coming up, as is my birthday, and
Christmas... 🙂
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