Ableton recording changes when monitoring is on.

[punkdISCO]

Thanks Marc..

External instruments: Yes, I used to use them many years ago but eventually went over to group tracks saved as presets.  This allows me to have several midi and audio tracks setup in a preset for the external instrument.

So I guess I do get the naming of i/o but my problem is likely the fact I move stuff around too much :(

Saying this, if external instruments give better recording alignment, I'll happily start using them again..  Time for some testing.....

Thanks again..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: "Marc Nostromo [M-.-n]" <marc.nostromo at gmail.com>
Sent: ‎08/‎06/‎2015 13:20
To: "Music-bar" <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
Subject: Re: Ableton recording changes when monitoring is on.

Just so that part of the misery is unveiled, you need to think that live always try to record things as you hear them when using monitoring.


So, if you have a MIDI track in live - or run a sync'ed drum machine - and you monitor it though another track, you will hear the sound later than the original midi note *because* you are going to need to sample the sound (and use buffers) before it can be sent again out of live. So when looking at the recording, it should always be behind the notes, possibly of a timing equivalent to your hardware input latency (or is it the full roundtrip?).


Originally, this feature is meant to help recording instruments where if you *play* along the track using your ears, you want live to take the input delay into account so it plays back like you heard it.
The problem being that it doesn't work too well with midi sequencing and feeding back into live monitoring.


I asked around what would the 'proper' way to do this within live and it seems that using the external instrument bypasses that problem. You specify the midi channel of your instrument and the audio input for the 'monitoring' and you can then track the audio in another track if you want to. Additional delays shouldn't be added in that case.


Hope this helps clearing a bit the apparent 'strangeness' of the concept.


Marc.


PS: Paul, maybe you could also use external instruments as ways to label you ins/out. If your setup is stable (duh!), you can create one preset of the device per synth you have and you will never have to play with routing again (I'm kidding of course :)




2015-06-02 18:39 GMT+02:00 Nigel Kersten <nigel at explanatorygap.net>:





On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:36 AM, K9 Kai Niggemann <kai at kainiggemann.com> wrote:



On 01.06.2015, at 03:17, Nigel Kersten <nigel at explanatorygap.net> wrote:


and do all my monitoring via Alt 3/4 on the Mackie.


Just wondering: on my old (1996) CR1602, there is a lot of crosstalk from the main out to the Alt 3-4. Has this been fixed on more recent Mackies?


I'm sure I would have heard this given the amount of sampling I've been doing on my Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro from about the same era... but now you're making me paranoid :) 

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