Once you go mini...

[Nigel Kersten]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Joost Schuttelaar <
joost at joostschuttelaar.nl> wrote:

> Interesting thread. One of our developers is very much against systemd for
> similar reasons as Jay. Me, as a casual Linux (server) user, have no strong
> preference. I find, just run a bunch of scripts to boot/control your state
> elegant (it’s a very simple model, easy to inspect), but also pretty
> rudimentary (dependencies between services, parallelising things).
>


If anyone really wants to dig into this in detail in a reasonably
dispassionate way, I can pull up some of the amazing summaries by Russ
Albery on the Debian Technical Committee decision to move to systemd. Russ
is one of the truly good people in the Linux space, is incredibly
thoughtful, and was the perfect person to help navigate such a politically
charged issue.


>
> This line I found interesting:
>
> > Okay, on this I think you have a fair and valid point, but then I don’t
> think that server problems should be solved by distributions, a technique
> which only makes sense with desktops (imho), but rather the server install
> problem should be solved by competent individual server administrators -
> who are given good tools to solve this problem..
>
> I don’t consider myself a competent sysadmin, but I am the one who does
> admin our servers (right now, at our scale). And I think I should be
> capable of doing this.
>
> This is why we chose to base our server-side stuff of commodity,
> run-of-the-mill, software like nginx, php, mysql, sqlite etc…
>
> I do think it’s appropriate that for launching a new server I grab a
> Ubuntu 14.04LTS release, run a few apt-get commands, do an rsync to deploy
> and edit some config files. And then trust the distro to keep packages
> up-to-date.
>
>
I'm honestly going to be shocked and horrified if that sort of use case
doesn't work perfectly fine regardless of whether you're using a distro
that's taken on systemd or not.

As you mention, trust in the distro's ability to release packages of good
quality and minimal surprise is key, and that's going to vastly outweigh
the impact of systemd vs non-systemd.
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