Behringer System 100

[paula at synth.net]

James, 

 short answer from me, it's never ok to copy someone's work.. use it as
the basis for something, reimagine it, add to it, improve it, but a
blatent copy.. 

 if a company like Moog wants to do a reissue/clone of their own
product, that's their call, I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't
run Moog.
Korg Copying ARP feels uncomfortable for me, but at least they have
sought involvement with some of the original design time, I still
wouldn't buy one. 

 As I say, if people wanna go buy Behringer rip-offs, go for it. But I
do hope these same people won't complain when their music is streamed
for free. 

 I do agree with you though, companies have for far too long been
failing to innovate, but then, isn't that the same for a lot of music? 

Paula 

On 2020-01-18 00:06, James Coplin wrote:

> I think it is also fair to ask why is it OK for "boutique" manufacturers to rip off designs and make clones but not Behringer? I have a hard time taking all the gnashing of teeth seriously from people who have been doing the exact same thing for years.
> 
> Also, I have had loooong discussions and exchanges with many of these companies over the years trying to get them to take analogue seriously to no avail. The best example from my experience was with Curtis trying to get them to do a small run of the CEM chips. Doug's widow and the managers would have nothing to do with it. They had all kinds of reasons why it wasn't feasible. We appealed to Doug's legacy, the definite loss of machines to part failures which made the physical evidence of Doug's contributions, etc. It didn't matter. Then, Behringer decided they would do it and Doug's estate was all about decrying his legacy then. Pound sand. You had your chance. Hypocrites.
> 
> Moog is the same way. They have been doing nothing but tirelessly cloning themselves and trying to create a boutique market for boomer sensibilities for years and I hate it. How long did it take them to do a Minimoog clone? Forever. Again, they gave all sorts of excuses. Too hard, couldnt get parts, too expensive, etc, etc. When they finally did, $4000 for a basic mono synth. Bullshit. Labor is cheaper in China sure, but not 10x cheaper. $30,000 for the Series 55 reissue?!? Who were they kidding. The Behringer reissues are bringing to light the hippocracy of the industry concerning analog and I applaud it. 
> 
> Bottom line, if nothing else, this should force the synth makers to finally innovate and stop just redoing the same thing over and over again if they want to survive. Hate Behringer all you want but you can't have it both ways. They werent the ones who started all the rehashing and cloning so I just cant take all this pearl clutching going on about it now.
> 
> James 
> On Jan 17, 2020, at 3:05 PM, paula at synth.net wrote: 
> 
> J,
> 
> It is really a difficult ethical position - on the one hand, you're
> right, but on the other hand there will be a lot more new people
> introduced to the synthesiser world, simply because Behringer made it
> affordable for them. 
> 
> So, you'd be happy with someone selling your music for a 1/10th of the 
> price you do?
> It makes music affordable to many more people around the world, so 
> that's good for music by the same token?
> 
> This is good for those of us who are worn out by
> a lot of the elitist/price-gouging stuff that goes on in the synth
> world, which does put people off from actually understanding the art.
> 3000 bucks for a mono synth with a famous brand is .. well, yeah.
> Maybe not really a great way to build the market. 
> 
> you don't buy a rolex for your first watch.
> So I think that comparison is a bit "unrealistic".
> 
> Its going to be interesting to see where things are in a couple of
> years. This has definitely made waves, and a lot of new kids are
> playing synths.. 
> 
> as has spotify, lots of people are listening to more music, whilst the 
> artists gets less for their work.
> 
> Paula
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