getting back to an old subject...

[Tony Scharf]

I agree with Rolf.  If everyone had everything we would have
stagnation. We may be content, but I think our existence as humans
would be diminished.

Without adversity, where is the impetus to adapt and evolve?

Money is not the problem. The problem is greed and our base animal
instinct to accumulate.  I would argue that you would need some
equivalent in any society which was to function (I have often thought
that switching to energy units may be in the future).  You simply need
to have a way for one person to be able to compensate another person
without having to resort to barter.  Money is the universal translator
of work. It makes things like computers possible.  Think about it, if
the researchers who invented computers had to barter their service as
researchers in order to get food, how would that even work?  "If you
give me grain for my family, I will promise you 3 papers on
semi-conductor alternatives within the next quarter?".

Tony

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Rolf van Slooten
<rolf at virtualfactory.nl> wrote:
> This would work, but only for two percent of the population, the rest of
> humanity would be totally overwhelmed by all the abundance. lying in bed,
> sitting in a chair playing an abundance of free videogames and eating
> pizza's until they die of obesity and no goal in life.
>
> Only 2 percent will be unhappy with this situation and aim for the stars,
> build spaceships and escape this deadly paradise.
>
> Unhappiness with your current situation will set goals, goals wich set you
> free from your current live which give you life meaning. Happiness is in the
> journey, not in the actual achievement of your goal. Unsatisfaction is a
> blessing, a force which drives men to achieve everything they want.
>
> But only for 2 percent of all men...
>
> :-)
> Cheers,
> Rolf
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gert van Santen"
> <g.vansanten at upcmail.nl>
> To: "Music-bar" <music-bar at lists.music-bar.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:03 PM
> Subject: getting back to an old subject...
>
>
>
>> "People don't want money; they want access to things, and they want it
>> when they want it."
>>
>> I have always said I hate money. Money is ruining society, and it is the
>> foundation of our lives as slaves, where some people have it all, and the
>> rest of us have to work their asses off in order to survive - if they're
>> lucky enough.
>>
>> I would love to see a society of abundance - without money, but with the
>> possibility for every person on earth to make the best of his or her life
>> and contribute to society with his or her own talents.
>>
>> Such a society is described in "The Venus Project", which almost exactly
>> demonstrates what I have had in mind since I was a lot younger.
>>
>> trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Ip_ElRKNTUQ
>> movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag
>>
>> This isn't to start another discussion, but just as an addendum to an
>> older discussion.
>>
>> Cheers, and have a wonderful weekend everyone!
>>
>> --
>> Gert
>> -------------
>> gert van santen
>> www.gertvansanten.nl
>>
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