Alone but Together ...

[Romain / rXg]

Tony :)
I think I never read  you with the world f**k so often in the music bar
since I know it and know you !  :)
What you try to explain is what I read and what some musicians mostly told
me ...

Some people want me to make an album ( i think they want more me to become a
"star" than myself )  but when I'm explaining them what you try to write ,
they don t believe me and are judging me negative ...
But to be sincere I exactly think what you wrote and what you are  pointing
out is arguing for me  and for this I am  very thankful ...
It even creates a big smile of relief  ... :)
Anyhow it s also true alone it s not so easy everyday and working with
someone interested in the same thing as you and knowing more than you can
really help :)
For this typical reason I m really thankful for all music barians ...
I still think my plan can work I just have to give it time and structure and
then maybe I fly  :)
Thank you again !
Romain


On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Tony Hardie-Bick <tony at entity.net> wrote:

> On 21/03/11 12:18, Romain / rXg wrote:
> > But maybe people on the music bar have some experiences ??
>
> Oh yeah.
>
> > Also I heard and read than it s better that producers contact you than
> you
> > trying to contact them ...
>
> I have nothing personally against the producers I have worked with - I
> learnt a
> lot from watching them at work (even if not so much listening to their
> work).
>
> Just DON'T do it. It's all part of the machinery of investment that has
> evolved
> to devalue the artist and prevent their work fvrom finding its own way
> naturally. It's all about creating PRODUCT.
>
> Let me give you a simple piece of advice: You are here for the music, NOT
> the
> other way around.
>
> If you do good music, IT will find a way to enable you to continue making
> it.
> That may (hopefully) include making a living from it. But remember, an
> artist is
> for the work, NOT the other f***ing way around.
>
> This is how you tell a BStter from the real deal.
>
> > This  mean  you should do  already  all your small own business,
> concerts,
> > merchandising, auto-production etc ...
>
> At first, yes. And these are far more valuable than selling the music
> itself, so
> these should be the last thing you contractually sign over to someone else.
> If
> you negotiate now, you are weak, if you do it yourself, you get yourself
> into a
> stronger position. If you do it really well, then someone good will offer
> to
> work for you.
>
> > Being known and respected in your area , and they may approach you with a
> good
> > deal and help you to get the next step for the music quality
>
> Just forget entirely about all that and get on the f*cking road!
>
> > But now I m focusing more to make an album of mp3 and sell them on the
> net (cdbaby),
> > then if it s possible, I would like  to find some musicians and make some
> > concerts ( it s better for promoting),
>
> True, it's good to sell CDs at concerts, but I can see time passing, time
> which
> is an investment in your future music, not so much the music you have now
> or
> soon will.
>
> > and i expect to work and just work with the musicians to get the same
> result or
> > maybe a better one...
>
> You don't need to worry about similarity. Again, this is backwards, and has
> been
> for decades: The music promotes the theatre of performance, the performance
> is
> NOT to promote the sales of the music.
>
> Art is never a finished article. A composition may be finished, but a
> performance is always true to its unique moment in time, and that is much
> better
> in front of an audience.
>
> > Instead I get jams or some weird improvisations not needed or  talking
> stuff
> > with cool people
>
> Tell them to f*ck off.
>
> > , I think I must pay musicians to get exactly what I need from them
> instead of
> > getting blablabla of just jamming around ... ( it s what zappa was doing
> after all)
>
> Getting to a position to pay is really difficult. Good people will value
> good
> music, and if you are completely focussed and serious, then you will find
> musicians who respect you. Some days of the week they will be available.
> Getting
> them all in the same gig on the same night is really really dfficult, but a
> core
> of VERY good musicians who understand your vibe, is the way.
>
> > The thing is and it s a reality when money comes into the deal, things
> start to
> > be more true ( people and yourself think more)..
>
> Yes. Money is cool. Just make sure you get to that point, with nothing
> signed.
> That means hard work. Hard work and music are, beyond the coolest thing you
> can
> do for money on this planet.
>
> > Everything have to be calculate cause It s an investment ... and like in
> general
> >   when people invest in something they don t want to lose their money but
> want a
> > good feedback in return ( as producers) ;)
>
> Tell the producers to f*ck off.
>
> > Make an album ( this almost done but without mastering yet)
> > Sell the mp3 ( i don t think I want to make cds if I don t make concerts)
> > Try to find musicians for concerts
> > Make concerts
> > Sell more stuff ( cd , tea shirt, tea, ) ...
> > make some profits and reinvesting in the project if it works ... etc
>
> Sounds *really* tedious, because EVERY single f***ing musician I know is
> doing
> exactly the same thing. Same old tedious song: Make mp3, sell mp3, play to
> sell.
>
> In the end, you pay to sell.
>
> ? get it ?
>
> > It looks possible but also it s not a easy challenge ...
>
> That's why wimps won't do it. Tell them to...
>
> well, you get my drift :-)
>
> Tony (HB)
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Romain
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