<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Tom/music-bar,<div><br></div><div>I’ve had an Akai MPC involved in some variation in my jams over the past few years and you’re right about the learning curve but they are so versatile.</div><div><br></div><div>That said I opted for the Synthstrom Deluge and 1010Music Blackbox machines for my sample-playback needs lately .. the Deluge has a huge learning curve but is immensely powerful and could form the basis of a whole new live setup all by itself (plus some miniature synths) whereas the Blackbox follows a much more simple, KISS style approach to sampling and looping. Both of them have had some major features added recently - the Deluge has an amazing community around the firmware (which is open source) and the Blackbox got some things like granular synthesis which make it also very versatile.</div><div><br></div><div>If I had to choose for a live rig I’d go for the Blackbox, and maybe add an Akai controller with knobs and sliders. If money were not an issue and you wanted something to plug into and sequence eurorack while having some of the most powerful sampling/looping/performance tools around, the Deluge would fit the bill… <br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">;<div>--</div><div>seclorum </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 14.10.2024, at 04:50, Tom Adam <tom.adam@thebigear.be> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Sorry to bring this old tread back up, but was wondering how you guys like the MPC stuff.<div>I’ve never used an MPC and it looks like fun, but also with a steep learning curve. I currently have no time for learning curves ;-)</div><div>Also considering shipping the cirklon to the US. Might be a better option…</div><div>Thanks,<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 15, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Tony Scharf <tony.scharf@outlook.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Interesting…I’ve been working on setting up a live rig for similar reasons. <div><br></div><div>For me, its these devices:</div><div><br></div><div>Akai MPC Live II (long samples, sequencer, MIDI router)</div><div>Roland SP404mkII (ambient drone loops and other one shot hits)</div><div>Elektron Octatrack II (Most of the performance actually happens on this)</div><div>AudioThingies Miicromonsta 2 (great synth, small package)</div><div>Arturia MiniFreak (keys, sounds)</div><div>Korg MicroKey AIR (to control play the main bits. </div><div><br></div><div>I use a USB hub and connect everything to it and the MPC acts like the MIDI host. </div><div><br></div><div>But seriously…you probably don’t need all of that, particularly if you’re going to be singing, too.</div><div><br></div><div>I’d go with a 1010music Black Box and Blue Box, and then maybe a synth depending on your style and if you want to play any keys. if you want a cheap, light synth that punches way over its price tag, I can’t recommend the MicroMonsta enough. The MiniFreak is also just excellent. </div><div><br></div><div>Another good all in one box alternative might be an Akai Force, but I gave up on that because it didn’t (at the time) have a way to change tempo in a set, or create a setlist so you could easily load up the next project (seriously…its a major flaw). the MPC avoids that by being pattern based and not clip based. </div><div><br></div><div>Or just put it all on a backing cassette tape and pretend its a Karaoke show. thats easiest on your back. </div><div><br></div><div>Tony</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 14, 2023, at 4:25 AM, Ibi Sum <<a href="mailto:ibisum@gmail.com">ibisum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
<div dir="auto">Another vote for the 1010 Blackbox!<br><br><div dir="ltr">;<div>--</div><div>seclorum </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 13.03.2023, at 22:21, Matt Seil <<a href="mailto:xeno6696@gmail.com">xeno6696@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<p>I can speak indirectly about the Squarp Hapax. It's a MIDI
sequencer, so you would be required to use another device to
manage samples/loops/etc. I have a Squarp Pyramid and from a
live-sequencing perspective, it does most of what you want, the
Hapax solves the Pyramid's main limitation in that you can only
have one project running at a time (one song at time.) I
*absolutely adore* my Pyramid but I don't do live gigs. <br>
</p><p>The Hapax allows you to load 2, but I don't know beyond that if
it allows for you chain loading--i.e. if you have midi sequences
for Anger, with Bargaining loaded, after you transition fully to
Bargaining, I'm unsure if you can dump Anger and then load
Acceptance. <br>
</p><p>That being said, in lieu of the Cymatic you could consider the
1010 Blackbox--you can stream 16 stereo channels if you use a
UHS-II sdcard and coupled with the Hapax (or another midi
sequencer) you could readily map out your phrase samples and
trigger sequences to other devices. I haven't used mine for live
sets either but if you need something that can do what the Cymatic
does but with a GUI (and some synth control) I would recommend
it. The blackbox site keeps a list of sdcards capable of
streaming all 16pads simultaneously. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2023 1:48 PM, Andrew Robinson
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for all the feedback, folks. Lots to think
about here!
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<div>I agree Ableton would make a lot of sense, but I really
don't want the show to just be me hiding behind 2 laptops
wiggling a mouse. I want the audience to be sure that I'm
doing things that affect the sound, which means something
pad-based for arranging, add that to the cost of a second
laptop (I'll be doing video stuff on the other) and we're into
dedicated hardware price territory.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Playaudio12 or the Cymatic Audio LP16 would be good as
part of a laptop setup, but they don't have a UI, so they
don't fit my needs.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>SamplTrek looks interesting as a budget option, will
research to see if it covers enough of the things I need.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My shortlist at the moment is:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Synthstrom Deluge (tiny display, appears not to be
available new?)</div>
<div>Squarp Hapax (don't know much about it, low RAM so might
not be suitable?)<br>
Octatrack (the most expensive option, not sure if RAM limits
it too much?)<br>
</div>
<div>Akai MPC Live/One (Initial impression is that these are
very cut-down versions of the Akai Force, but for about the
same price, surely that can't be right?)</div>
<div>Akai Force (not ideal, but UI seems great and connectivity
is right - it mixes down, streams multi-track audio from
HD/SSD/ SD card, has decent FX, class compliant midi, enough
cv/gate outs that I won't need external box for that, etc.). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think the Force is winning at the moment, as it seems to
need the lowest number of additional boxes to get me to where
I want to be. Lots more review videos to watch on youtube
though!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>- Andy_R</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 16:40,
Peter Korsten <<a href="mailto:peter@severity-one.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">peter@severity-one.com</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hey
Andy,<br>
<br>
> ...so, what should I be buying?<br>
<br>
This YouTube short conveniently showed up in my
recommendations today: <br>
<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fshorts%2FRXEZCeVUb_o&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3vn9qOHyqU9T7kPsgMLtrUPZ8zW8aUUsqJYViRNOlt8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RXEZCeVUb_o" shash="sC1Gvz/TfCsy9H2MI94ENZ/wWpTcDBpP3zKoYR8TtzMP+lLa3pfOxYa3m9Ve1ucIxPYf3Po57DLgopKijgPB0UbRFIL3DwSwHQ0tO/xeMv2d9kRCjcnqgg+bCrGhTp/4CKi1Zh/7CKv7kF9+ixCal/FnG3wuZ8wr6CQXP+ZykUo=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RXEZCeVUb_o</a><br>
<br>
It mentions this product: <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iconnectivity.com%2Fplayaudio12&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d6b%2FJWnw7yVUvdk04%2Ftzk1GijsIaxEdczHpKRQqzS%2Fw%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.iconnectivity.com/playaudio12" shash="TFDjOVg2hd34BxBWYW0R9ArZe4RuClLI+26AHDGorFCTt5Ke4WlFBsq3sIEHNrrNt5VO+t33LQ6uEROeEtYSs7M97F69KEr5uM/aGLF5ZN9b0uySuxKTLvsrsBgsdKT7LLeDsOkkxTQj7GZL3w5Kf6CexruOD52/M58ZZ+giWOw=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.iconnectivity.com/playaudio12</a><br>
<br>
The guy uses Ableton Live, which you mentioned, on two
laptops, and the <br>
above device.<br>
<br>
Scan Computers have it for £479, though not in stock until the
25th. <br>
Others don't have it, or have it for £599. <br>
(<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iconnectivity.com%2Fuk-dealers&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3VseK4UVaZpIYutwG00cPfHkpg%2BRtwyEuryZLT2UAzU%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.iconnectivity.com/uk-dealers" shash="y0kwvdcbY63vsGmk8dOU8Jz2to/4wtvbjFStfJ9ZwLUB/WVc9gzFBZUAsbMTO2dDojcRFeIZh+dsegqnsXCdLuwyX1bsaAvEVk7QyclrYvIdLulszcAlICTRr+jHL8gkE7wt1bYQlBl1IDc8eET5ZrmbJBAFRd73vL44PwA9vTk=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.iconnectivity.com/uk-dealers</a>)<br>
<br>
Disclaimer: I know neither Ableton Live nor this product, so
it's not an <br>
endorsement.<br>
<br>
- Peter<br>
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