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<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Interesting…I’ve been working on setting up a live rig for similar reasons. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For me, its these devices:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Akai MPC Live II (long samples, sequencer, MIDI router)</div><div class="">Roland SP404mkII (ambient drone loops and other one shot hits)</div><div class="">Elektron Octatrack II (Most of the performance actually happens on this)</div><div class="">AudioThingies Miicromonsta 2 (great synth, small package)</div><div class="">Arturia MiniFreak (keys, sounds)</div><div class="">Korg MicroKey AIR (to control play the main bits. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I use a USB hub and connect everything to it and the MPC acts like the MIDI host. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But seriously…you probably don’t need all of that, particularly if you’re going to be singing, too.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’d go with a 1010music Black Box and Blue Box, and then maybe a synth depending on your style and if you want to play any keys. if you want a cheap, light synth that punches way over its price tag, I can’t recommend the MicroMonsta enough. The MiniFreak is also just excellent. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another good all in one box alternative might be an Akai Force, but I gave up on that because it didn’t (at the time) have a way to change tempo in a set, or create a setlist so you could easily load up the next project (seriously…its a major flaw). the MPC avoids that by being pattern based and not clip based. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or just put it all on a backing cassette tape and pretend its a Karaoke show. thats easiest on your back. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tony</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 14, 2023, at 4:25 AM, Ibi Sum <<a href="mailto:ibisum@gmail.com" class="">ibisum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Another vote for the 1010 Blackbox!<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">;<div class="">--</div><div class="">seclorum </div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 13.03.2023, at 22:21, Matt Seil <<a href="mailto:xeno6696@gmail.com" class="">xeno6696@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">
<p class="">I can speak indirectly about the Squarp Hapax. It's a MIDI
sequencer, so you would be required to use another device to
manage samples/loops/etc. I have a Squarp Pyramid and from a
live-sequencing perspective, it does most of what you want, the
Hapax solves the Pyramid's main limitation in that you can only
have one project running at a time (one song at time.) I
*absolutely adore* my Pyramid but I don't do live gigs. <br class="">
</p><p class="">The Hapax allows you to load 2, but I don't know beyond that if
it allows for you chain loading--i.e. if you have midi sequences
for Anger, with Bargaining loaded, after you transition fully to
Bargaining, I'm unsure if you can dump Anger and then load
Acceptance. <br class="">
</p><p class="">That being said, in lieu of the Cymatic you could consider the
1010 Blackbox--you can stream 16 stereo channels if you use a
UHS-II sdcard and coupled with the Hapax (or another midi
sequencer) you could readily map out your phrase samples and
trigger sequences to other devices. I haven't used mine for live
sets either but if you need something that can do what the Cymatic
does but with a GUI (and some synth control) I would recommend
it. The blackbox site keeps a list of sdcards capable of
streaming all 16pads simultaneously. <br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2023 1:48 PM, Andrew Robinson
wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks for all the feedback, folks. Lots to think
about here!
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<div class="">I agree Ableton would make a lot of sense, but I really
don't want the show to just be me hiding behind 2 laptops
wiggling a mouse. I want the audience to be sure that I'm
doing things that affect the sound, which means something
pad-based for arranging, add that to the cost of a second
laptop (I'll be doing video stuff on the other) and we're into
dedicated hardware price territory.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">The Playaudio12 or the Cymatic Audio LP16 would be good as
part of a laptop setup, but they don't have a UI, so they
don't fit my needs.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">SamplTrek looks interesting as a budget option, will
research to see if it covers enough of the things I need.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">My shortlist at the moment is:</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Synthstrom Deluge (tiny display, appears not to be
available new?)</div>
<div class="">Squarp Hapax (don't know much about it, low RAM so might
not be suitable?)<br class="">
Octatrack (the most expensive option, not sure if RAM limits
it too much?)<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Akai MPC Live/One (Initial impression is that these are
very cut-down versions of the Akai Force, but for about the
same price, surely that can't be right?)</div>
<div class="">Akai Force (not ideal, but UI seems great and connectivity
is right - it mixes down, streams multi-track audio from
HD/SSD/ SD card, has decent FX, class compliant midi, enough
cv/gate outs that I won't need external box for that, etc.). </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I think the Force is winning at the moment, as it seems to
need the lowest number of additional boxes to get me to where
I want to be. Lots more review videos to watch on youtube
though!</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">- Andy_R</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 16:40,
Peter Korsten <<a href="mailto:peter@severity-one.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">peter@severity-one.com</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hey
Andy,<br class="">
<br class="">
> ...so, what should I be buying?<br class="">
<br class="">
This YouTube short conveniently showed up in my
recommendations today: <br class="">
<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fshorts%2FRXEZCeVUb_o&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3vn9qOHyqU9T7kPsgMLtrUPZ8zW8aUUsqJYViRNOlt8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RXEZCeVUb_o" shash="sC1Gvz/TfCsy9H2MI94ENZ/wWpTcDBpP3zKoYR8TtzMP+lLa3pfOxYa3m9Ve1ucIxPYf3Po57DLgopKijgPB0UbRFIL3DwSwHQ0tO/xeMv2d9kRCjcnqgg+bCrGhTp/4CKi1Zh/7CKv7kF9+ixCal/FnG3wuZ8wr6CQXP+ZykUo=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RXEZCeVUb_o</a><br class="">
<br class="">
It mentions this product: <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iconnectivity.com%2Fplayaudio12&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d6b%2FJWnw7yVUvdk04%2Ftzk1GijsIaxEdczHpKRQqzS%2Fw%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.iconnectivity.com/playaudio12" shash="TFDjOVg2hd34BxBWYW0R9ArZe4RuClLI+26AHDGorFCTt5Ke4WlFBsq3sIEHNrrNt5VO+t33LQ6uEROeEtYSs7M97F69KEr5uM/aGLF5ZN9b0uySuxKTLvsrsBgsdKT7LLeDsOkkxTQj7GZL3w5Kf6CexruOD52/M58ZZ+giWOw=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.iconnectivity.com/playaudio12</a><br class="">
<br class="">
The guy uses Ableton Live, which you mentioned, on two
laptops, and the <br class="">
above device.<br class="">
<br class="">
Scan Computers have it for £479, though not in stock until the
25th. <br class="">
Others don't have it, or have it for £599. <br class="">
(<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iconnectivity.com%2Fuk-dealers&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7d1ccb01e6de4fbc7c2108db246e1160%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638143827398476707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3VseK4UVaZpIYutwG00cPfHkpg%2BRtwyEuryZLT2UAzU%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.iconnectivity.com/uk-dealers" shash="y0kwvdcbY63vsGmk8dOU8Jz2to/4wtvbjFStfJ9ZwLUB/WVc9gzFBZUAsbMTO2dDojcRFeIZh+dsegqnsXCdLuwyX1bsaAvEVk7QyclrYvIdLulszcAlICTRr+jHL8gkE7wt1bYQlBl1IDc8eET5ZrmbJBAFRd73vL44PwA9vTk=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.iconnectivity.com/uk-dealers</a>)<br class="">
<br class="">
Disclaimer: I know neither Ableton Live nor this product, so
it's not an <br class="">
endorsement.<br class="">
<br class="">
- Peter<br class="">
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