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<p>Thanks for that Ibi Sum. <br>
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<p>I'm going through Loopop's intro and just stumbled across that
auto-timestretching feature and am picking my jaw off the floor.
Even eliminating the problem of varying BPMs on loops by itself is
a time-saving feature that I always wanted, figured impossible.
He does discuss the other synth-gripe I had in regards to finding
loop points. (no X-fade.) I'm going to set that aside and try it
as it was intended to be played. <br>
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<p>I'm going to be spending some time with the manual, I maybe
underestimated exactly how much hardware has changed from the late
90s/early naughties. So far... I'm actually thinking I might be
able to ditch my K2661. Unless I need particular audio effects
I'm not sure what it can give me. <br>
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<p class="">So on the synth side (and keep in mind, I'm
new as in 1 week new) I seem to be missing the ability
to create basic PCM synthesis with ranges across the
keyboard. I'm rusty so I don't remember the term for
sample mapping like that. For a one-man show, I have
nothing negative to say. The forums have been
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<div>I might be misunderstanding your needs, but maybe you are
trying to<font class="" color="#000000"><span
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">, say, sample
a piano at each octave and 3rd/5th notes, and get a more
‘realistic’ sound rather than relying on onboard
pitch-shifting to do the job, creating multiple samples of
the same instrument for mapping across the keyboard range
..</span></font> from page 31 of the 1.7c Blackbox manual,
Multi-Sample Pads:</div>
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range of the keyboard you may get less than stellar results. A
better approach is to record multiple samples across the
range of the keyboard and let the sampler interpolate the
sounds between the available notes. The more samples you use,
the less stretching the sampler has to do, and the better
the resulting sound. Multi-sample pads are mapped to multiple
WAV files. If the WAV files contain root notes embedded in
them, blackbox will play the corresponding WAV file when that
note is played, and use pitch shifting to create the notes in
between. If there are no root notes defined, blackbox will
load the files in alphabetical order and map one file to each
successive note, starting at C2. You can also use this
approach to map a list of different sounds across the keys of
the keyboard, for example if you want to map different drum
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<div>You can also do this by RECORD’ing samples, in a session
with the Blackbox, playing instruments into it .. and it will
map the samples as you play them. I don’t do much of that
with mine, so ymmv...</div>
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engineer. Do you have any suggestions to break into
audio programming? </p>
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<div>There are so many great ways to get into audio programming,
from CHUCK to Pd, to Max and beyond, or even just raw C++ with
things like the VCV Rack Developer kit, or JUCE and so on.
I’m always exploring these different things, its an interest
of mine that spans decades, as well as a professional need as
a systems software developer working in the audio industry -
but I still don’t have an ultimate answer to this.. </div>
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<div>It really depends on how much you personally can invest in
the subject, and how much fuss you’re willing to make to dive
in. I tend to err on the ‘out of box experience’ angle for
new audio programming systems/frameworks - I have a *lot* of
these tools on my lab workbench, so the ease of use of the
development environment is key. I would encourage you to find
something easy to start with - even just if its an Arduino
with a PCM shield, and coding things function by function.</div>
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<div>But in the ‘flavour of the month’ type of thinking, I’d be
very happy to hear you get yourself a MONOME NORNS (<a
href="https://monome.org/docs/norns/shield/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://monome.org/docs/norns/shield/</a>),
read the docs at (<a href="https://monome.org/docs/norns/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://monome.org/docs/norns/</a>)
and have hacked/tweaked/bashed a new audio program into
existence at [?] .. if that is your thing, that is. (I just
got a NORNS to hack with, and an hour with it so far over the
last week, in total, has been quite intriguing.)</div>
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<div>I mean from the perspective of a new hacker getting into
audio for the fun and intellectual pursuit of it, this is,
frankly, a paradise: <a href="https://norns.community"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://norns.community</a>
— I expect you would learn a heck of a lot, if you got into
it, too.</div>
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<div>Or if you don’t want to go the ‘cute hardware with its own
dev environment onboard’ route, get VCVRack. Get VCVRack
Plugins. Get VCVRack Developer kit. Get VCVRack Plugin
SOURCES. Read the source. So many great things have happened
because of that particular workflow, it is a vibrant and
extraordinary scene, and some of the code is BONKERS.</div>
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<div>And then, there’s JUCE. One of my favourite apps ever is
made out of JUCE: <a href="http://endlesss.fm/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://endlesss.fm/</a> </div>
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and exploit development. Not exactly a 1:1 transfer. </p>
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.. there are some pretty decent web-style (.JS) frameworks out
there, one that comes to mind is Tone.js: <a
href="https://tonejs.github.io" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tonejs.github.io</a>
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<div class="">You don’t have to go straight to hardcore code
although - as an exploit dev - you more than likely are not
afraid to do so. In which case, some of the special-purpose
languages like Chuck (<a href="https://chuck.cs.princeton.edu"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://chuck.cs.princeton.edu</a>)
and Sonic Pi might be of interest: (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Pi" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Pi</a>)</div>
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<div class="">Or, just get a copy of BasicSynth, buy the book, and
keep it in the loo for some great and easy reading: <a
href="http://basicsynth.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://basicsynth.com</a> </div>
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<div class="">Either way be sure to keep us updated on music-bar
when you’ve got something to test. ;)</div>
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<div class="">(BTW, there are really great audio devs on
music-bar .. speak up people, you know who you are ..)</div>
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