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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/27/21 4:35 PM, Martin Naef wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All right, short update
on the progress – the decision came by chance, I saw an
almost new and essentially unused Midas M32R Live desk on
offer in our neighboring village. It’s sitting on our dinner
table now, I’ve just did a quick new mix from the last
recording.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">First impressions so
far: It’s heavy. Especially with a flight-case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Second impression: I
figured out the basics reasonably quickly without a manual
(it doesn’t come with one, just a very basic quick start
quide…), just needed to google a few details (e.g. how to do
a factory reset). I like the fader concept so far,
especially the small displays per channel are useful.
Setting up basic effects and a limiter in the main channel
worked well, the channels themselves are easy to set up. I
definitely like the metering, and I was positively surprised
at the real-time frequency analysis screens when setting up
the channel EQ. Digital mixers have come a long way since
the 01V (which is still in use in my studio…).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ll need to do a bit of
practicing until everything feels natural. I wouldn’t call
the console entirely intuitive once you get past the basic
channel settings, but the learning curve shouldn’t be too
steep either. I’m curious about the sound quality I will get
through these pre-amps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Tomorrow’s show will
still rely on the traditional setup, but the desk will
certainly see action for the following one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for the comments!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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music-bar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org"><music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Naef<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 21. Mai 2021 23:40<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Mixer / Recorder for live-streaming
chamber music<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We are currently
live-streaming a classical concert every couple of weeks,
most of the time chamber music with two musicians. Apart
from keeping our audience engaged, I found this is actually
a very efficient setup to get a good quality video
production with relatively low effort for further use (e.g.
Youtube content). I am using a Blackmagic Atem Mini Pro ISO
for the live-streaming and recording of four camera streams.
On the audio side, I have Tascam DR-680 that serves as a mic
pre-amp for the live-show, and records the audio in parallel
for later use. The Atem Mini Pro provides four analog audio
inputs and a decent quality channel strip and master section
with EQ, expander/gate, compressor and limiter each.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The nice part is that I
can load the video recording into DaVinci Resolve after the
show, touch up the video switching, effects and colors if
needed and then export a high-quality version. If needed I
combine that with a remastered / mixed audio stream based on
the multi-track recording from the Tascam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For those interested,
this is how it looks behind the scenes: <a
href="http://ilonakocsis.ch/index.php/news/18-live-streaming-hinter-den-kulissen"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://ilonakocsis.ch/index.php/news/18-live-streaming-hinter-den-kulissen</a>,
and this is the result: <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTMFGfX06cTxh--WeJC3Bag/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTMFGfX06cTxh--WeJC3Bag/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But now to the challenge
where I am looking for input: In September I will do the
same for a concert with string quartet and piano where I
want to use more mic channels. The current setup works with
a stereo pair plus a mono supporting mic for the music, and
the Rode Wireless lavalier setup for announcements with two
mics combined into a mono input, but there I expect four or
five instrumental mics plus three lavaliers. That means I
need a mixer and a multi-track recorder on set. I usually
don’t change audio settings during the show except muting
the lavaliers when nobody is talking – I can do that on the
ATEM if I feed the lavaliers to the second analog stereo
input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve been looking around
for solutions, here’s what I found so far and what I see as
pros and cons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Midas M32R Mixing Desk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">++ High quality pre-amps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Good, flexible
effects, solid channel processing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Recording straight to
SD card (all channels)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Full desk, full
control, fast sound-check<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--- heavy and large –
15kg (I already carry a ton of material to every show, I’d
rather not add more)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Presonus StudioLive 32SC
Mixing Desk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(+/-) A touch smaller
and lighter than the Midas, but still on the heavy side
(11kg)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Sound quality seems to
be good, but the Midas tends to get higher praise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Very flexible channel
strip with modeled EQ/compressors, but less praise on the
reverbs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Recording to SD card
(all channels)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Behringer X32 Rack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Same software/fx as
the Midas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">0 pre-amp quality
considered ok but a good deal below the Midas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Recording straight to
SD card (all channels)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">++ Small and light, but
still with a basic UI that I can supervise and control the
device without a PC in an emergency case<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ cheapest of the bunch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(can add a Behringer
X-touch to get faders / control for full access during a
show – but this adds complexity and cost)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Presonus StudioLive 16R<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Same software was the
StudioLive desk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+ Same sound quality as
the desk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">++ very small footprint
of the rack unit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- no UI on the rack,
separate PC and/or fader box is a must during the show<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-- no SD recorder (there
is, but only the stereo master) – PC required (see above)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If there was an X32 with
Midas pre-amps, this would probably be the best compromise
as portability is really a high value. On a minor side, I
can also control some X32 or Midas functions using the
Stream Deck. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The Presonus 16R would
fit the bill especially for portability, but I dislike the
idea of relying on a PC for the recording (I have two
laptops, so that doesn’t add cost) and once I add the
Faderport to the setup I approach the cost of the full
desks. Presonus also tends to get mixed comments regarding
maturity of the product.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Do you have experience
with any of the setups above? Any other ideas or thoughts? I
am really torn between the sound quality and ease of
setup/use of the desks vs portability – it would feel pretty
absurd to bring a full desk when I record a solo show…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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