<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Jay, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Would you buy Neutron again?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I need to check the differences between Neutron and Cat (youtube, here I come), but I think Neutron is more modular friendly, looking at the pictures.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I think, I'll put Neutron on my purchase list, beside a few additional modules (I'm still thinking about some DIY ones too - just to have fun).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Yesterday, I've made the power supply for modular and turned on the B921. I like the sound. I don't like the low level of the main waveform outs......</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">It's like 10x lower than what Crave outs... Luckily, tha auxiliary output has the "correct" level.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Turns out I will need some additional amp to make the main outs usable.... Wondering if it's Behringer's thing or that's how it was with original Moog 921 too.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">btw, this is, more-less, how my "rack" will look like initially (this is not my picture, but it gives an idea - I also have Crave as a base)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><img src="cid:ii_klnl6ii20" alt="image.png" width="562" height="461"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Marek</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Venray,NL</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Ibi Sum <<a href="mailto:ibisum@gmail.com">ibisum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I don’t know about Behringer having an anti-Semitic bent... but I can tell you that they are far from being the only synth manufacturer with controversial political views in their leadership... <div><br></div><div>I love the Neutron, it is a fun, versatile and great sounding instrument. I’m definitely going to add a few more things from Behringer in the future - the CAT for sure, and maybe their ARP clone. </div><div><br></div><div>The synth world NEEDED the shakeup that Behringer brought to the party - or is everyone quite content with paying 8x what the synths cost to make? </div><div><br></div><div>Synths don’t need to be expensive - the incumbent players in the industry have long colluded to keep prices artificially high, and so the anarchists should be loving Behringer for the effects they had on their conpetitions’ exotic car payments ... unless of course it’s just the fact of having an outlet for some pent up moral outrage, really, and not actually about the economy of things. Economically, Behringer are heroes for bringing these formally elite cultural artifacts into prices even we proletariat can afford.... <br><br><div dir="ltr">;<div>--</div><div>seclorum </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 27.02.2021, at 04:41, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:tony.scharf@outlook.com" target="_blank">tony.scharf@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 26, 2021 2:13:13 PM<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Yeah, that was one of the reasons I've been looking at 112 initially :)</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I might go for series 100 for other modules.</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I'm also thinking about adding Neutron to the setup, but this is a bit too much for me at this moment, so I need to wait or find the way (a store) of buying it in monthly payments
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">For the same reason, I don't expect to have my modular completed earlier than in a couple of months.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 21:08, James Coplin <<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">One of the nice things about the System 100 series, is you typically get 2 of everything in a module which is a tremulous deal at $100 a module. I also like that they generally have multiple inputs and attenuators so you don't need as many mixers
or multi.<br>
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<div>On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Marek Szulen <<a href="mailto:mszulen@gmail.com" target="_blank">mszulen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Anyway, I was thinking about ADSR (or maybe also VCF) from 100 series.
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Eventually, those kits:
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.skullandcircuits.com%2Fproduct%2Fvcf-3%2F%3Fattribute_pa_build-level%3Dkit&data=04%7C01%7C%7C72c9c4e4184e4e6e29ea08d8da930e5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637499672425496272%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NpU%2FvXAhVXq1baXhgo2oCVX6ugjxqsR4wWp61iBUjYI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.skullandcircuits.com/product/vcf-3/?attribute_pa_build-level=kit</a>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 20:28, James Coplin < <a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">
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<div dir="auto">The 112 tuning was only on the initial production batch and has been corrected.
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<div>On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Marek Szulen < <a href="mailto:mszulen@gmail.com" target="_blank">
mszulen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thanks for all the opinions!
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Regarding Behringer system 100 - I've heard there are lots of issues with tuning of the 112 VCO.
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The one I've got is (yes, Behringer) 921, which had better opinions than 112 (which I was thinking about initially).
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">What about those DIY kits? Like electro smith etc?
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Neutron is, indeed, a very nice option. I've got the Crave, because it was second hand and in a very good price (100eur). Otherwise, I would end-up with Neutron or Cat.
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 19:49, Andrew Tarpinian <
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Doepfer, especially used doepfer on muffwiggler buy sell trade, for budget. Like Tony said, the used market for modular is filled with modules used for about 10 min for 20% off. Not that you shouldn’t be careful in selecting who to buy from - but these things
move around like hot tamales. <br>
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> On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:24 PM, moron < <a href="mailto:moron@industrial.org" target="_blank">
moron@industrial.org</a>> wrote: <br>
> <br>
> I'll comply. That whole cork sniffer debacle of corporate bullying / <br>
> antisemitism plus the long history of sleazy Behringer behaviour has <br>
> permanently turned me off their gear. I realize they make chips so are <br>
> not 100% avoidable but if a new device has Behringer branding it's dead <br>
> to me. Second hand market is a grey area but even then, it's completely <br>
> devalued their kit in my eyes. <br>
> <br>
> It's a very easy line to draw. <br>
> <br>
>> On Fri, 2021-02-26 at 17:56 +0000, Tony Scharf wrote: <br>
>> I agree in the Behringer, but also want to point you to the second <br>
>> hand market. There are a lot of good modules out there cheap. Look <br>
>> for anything that has a mk2 or mk3 version out or coming soon. The <br>
>> old modules are still great, but this craters the resale. <br>
>> <br>
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>> From: music-bar < <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">
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>> James Coplin < <a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>>
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>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:41:42 AM <br>
>> To: Music-bar < <a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">
music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>> <br>
>> Subject: Re: Eurorack <br>
>> <br>
>> I'm probably going to get yelled at by someone but it's hard to argue <br>
>> against the Behringer System 100 modules. <br>
>> <br>
>> They are cheap and sound good. They are basic but make a good <br>
>> starting point. You can make a very competent voice in a single skiff <br>
>> row. <br>
>> <br>
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>> James <br>
>> On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Marek Szulen < <a href="mailto:mszulen@gmail.com" target="_blank">
mszulen@gmail.com</a><mailto: <br>
>> <a href="mailto:mszulen@gmail.com" target="_blank">mszulen@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:
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>> Guys <br>
>> <br>
>> I need an advice, regarding the eurorack modular. <br>
>> Since I have Behringer Crave, which is a semi-modular, I really <br>
>> started to think about extending it. <br>
>> Today, I've got an additional VCO and working on the power supply. <br>
>> What are the other budget choices for additional modules? LFO, ADSR, <br>
>> VCF, VCA? <br>
>> What else should I look at? <br>
>> <br>
>> I'm open for DIY (not only that I like it, but mainly - it helps to <br>
>> stay within the budget range). <br>
>> <br>
>> Second hands are also ok, as long as they don't cost a leg ;) <br>
>> <br>
>> Marek <br>
>> Venray, NL <br>
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