<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>I was looking at fairly inexpensive stuff, like: <a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ER12/8/">http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ER12/8/</a></div><div><br></div><div>And while it’s not bad and does the job, I was questioning paying, really anything, for something I wasn’t really jazzed about. Plus the accessories are so over priced. </div><div><br></div><div>VS something like this: <a href="http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/50/38/7f50388d7e7dd68fa8e124e2694b6faf.jpg">http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/50/38/7f50388d7e7dd68fa8e124e2694b6faf.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>$15 a piece for the nightstands, some wheels, some screw, some rack rails. Will make a nice Easter project when I am home I think :)</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Romain / rXg <<a href="mailto:xtechcode@gmail.com">xtechcode@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Rack Furniture , maybe second hand ? </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Andrew Tarpinian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP:break-word">Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’
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<div>Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow</div>
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<div>I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.</div>
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<div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@outlook.com" target="_blank">noisetheorem@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I like that patchbay! Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change. I'd prefer the switches. If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.
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<div>On balanced v/s unbalanced: I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment. If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length. </div>
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<div>My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years. In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad. </div>
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From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br>
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<div>Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.</div>
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<div>I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change the modes (switches)</div>
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<div>What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?</div>
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<div>Thanks for everyones help.</div>
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<div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com" target="_blank">entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com</a>> wrote:</div><br>
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<div><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">>>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ </span></div>
<div><br></div>I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom. It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack. The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it. I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway.
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From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:xtechcode@gmail.com" target="_blank">xtechcode@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br>
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<div>I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …</div>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ <br>
<div>if you have a cable patched on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …</div>
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<div>I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)</div>
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<div>I tried to set it in a kind of logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..</div>
<div>See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)</div>
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<div>-From TOP at the back <font color="#67fa60">1 to 8<span> </span></font> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#ff7bf1">1 to 8 </font>which are routed to my input sound card (rme). </div>
<div><font color="#010201">-From TOP at the back </font><font color="#00f900">13 to 20</font> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#56defa">13 to 20</font><font color="#ff7bf1"><span> </span> </font>which are routed to the Adat in </div>
<div>-From TOP at the back<font color="#ff2948"> </font><font color="#ff2d54">9 to 12 </font>I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb:<span> </span><font color="#0f2600">9 and 10<span> </span></font>are routed // to the bottom<span> </span><font color="#ff9300">9 and 10<span> </span></font>)</div>
<div>-From TOP at the back from<span> </span><font color="#ff2600">21 to 24<span> </span></font>I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out</div>
<div>-From Bottom at the back <font color="#ff9300">9 and 10</font><span> </span>are routed to minidisk in ( yes i still have a minidisk :-) </div>
<div>-From Bottom at the back<font color="#aa7942"> </font><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span> </span>is routed to my Guitar pedal fx</div>
<div>-From Bottom at the back <font color="#aa7942">24</font><span><span> </span> </span>is routed to my guitar rack fx</div>
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<div>nb: Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …</div>
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<div> INSTRUMENTS INSTRUMENTS</div>
<div> / | | | | | \ \ AUDIO OUT / / | | | | \ ADAT OUT</div>
<div>T O P :<span> </span><font color="#4bfa6b">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8</font><span> </span>|<font color="#ff5344"> </font><font color="#ff334e">9 | 10 | 11 | 12<span> </span></font>|<span> </span><font color="#00f900">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20</font><font color="#ff321a"><span> </span>| 21 | 22 | 23 | 24</font></div>
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<div>Bottom :<span> </span><font color="#ff7bed">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8<span> </span></font>|<span> </span><font color="#ff9300">9 | 10</font><span> </span>| 11 | 12 |<span> </span><font color="#57dcfa">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19</font><span> </span>| <span style="COLOR:rgb(86,222,250)">20</span> | 21 | 22 |<span> </span><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span> </span>|<span> </span><font color="#aa7942">24</font></div>
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<div> - Soundcard RME in - - MD - - ADAT IN - -<font color="#0433ff">RP10</font>- - <font color="#aa7942">Rocktron -</font></div>
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<div>On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <<a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br>Getting my first patchbay(s).<br><br>I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :(<span> </span><br>
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