<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’<div><br></div><div>Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow</div><div><br></div><div>I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:noisetheorem@outlook.com">noisetheorem@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr">I like that patchbay! Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change. I'd prefer the switches. If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.<div><br></div><div>On balanced v/s unbalanced: I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment. If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length. </div><div><br></div><div>My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years. In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad. </div><div><br></div><div>Tony</div><div><br><div><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br><div>Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.</div><div><br></div><div>I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change the modes (switches)</div><div><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/" target="_blank">http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/</a></div><div><br></div><div>What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for everyones help.</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <<a href="mailto:entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com">entropymagnet@noisetheorem.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">>>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ </span></div><div><br></div>I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom. It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack. The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it. I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway. <div><br></div><div>Tony<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:xtechcode@gmail.com">xtechcode@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...<br>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><br><div><br></div><div>I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …</div>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ <br><div>if you have a cable patched on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …</div><div><br></div><div>I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)</div><div><br></div><div>I tried to set it in a kind of logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..</div><div>See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>< /div><div><br></div><div>-From TOP at the back <font color="#67fa60">1 to 8<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#ff7bf1">1 to 8 </font>which are routed to my input sound card (rme). </div><div><font color="#010201">-From TOP at the back </font><font color="#00f900">13 to 20</font> I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed in // to the Bottom from <font color="#56defa">13 to 20</font><font color="#ff7bf1"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span> </font>which are routed to the Adat in </div><div>-From TOP at the back<font color="#ff2948"> </font><font color="#ff2d54">9 to 12 </font>I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="# ff2600">9 and 10<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>are routed // to the bottom<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff9300">9 and 10<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>)</div><div>-From TOP at the back from<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff2600">21 to 24<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out</div><div>-From Bottom at the back <font color="#ff9300">9 and 10</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>are routed to minidisk in ( yes i still have a minidisk :-) </div><div>-From Bottom at the back<font color="#aa7942"> </font><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>is routed to my Guitar pedal fx</div><div>-From Bottom at the back <font color="#aa7942">24</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> </span>is routed to my guitar rack fx</div><div><br></div><div>nb: Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> INSTRUMENTS INSTRUMENTS</div><div> / | | | | | \ \ AUDIO OUT / / | | | | \ ADAT OUT</div><div>T O P :<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#4bfa6b">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>|<font color="#ff5344"> </font><font color="#ff334e">9 | 10 | 11 | 12<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>|<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#00f900">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20</font><font color="#ff321a"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| 21 | 22 | 23 | 24</font></div><div> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |</div><div>Bottom :<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff7bed">1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></font>|<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff9300">9 | 10</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| 11 | 12 |<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#57dcfa">13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>| <span style="color: rgb(86, 222, 250);">20</span> | 21 | 22 |<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#0433ff">23</font><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>|<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#aa7942">24</font></div><div> \ | | | | | | / \ / \ \ | | | / / / | |</div><div> - Soundcard RME in - - MD - - ADAT IN - -<font color="#0433ff">RP10</font>- - <font color="#aa7942">Rocktron -</font></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Romain</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <<a href="mailto:andrewtarpinian@gmail.com">andrewtarpinian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">Getting my first patchbay(s).<br><br>I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :(<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Is it just me?<br><br>Also i’m dreading actually figuring out how many cables I need to have EVERYTHING hooked up.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>music-bar mailing list<br><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar" target="_blank">http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________ music-bar mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar" target="_blank">http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/lis tinfo/music-bar</a>_______________________________________________<br>music-bar mailing list<br><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar" target="_blank">http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar</a><br><br>_______________________________________________ music-bar mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar">http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar</a></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>music-bar mailing list<br><a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar">http://lists.music-bar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/music-bar</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>