James,<div><br></div><div> Thanks for the link, I'll heave a read up.</div><div> Aurora may not have al these features, but I do have some ideas for future projects.</div><div>FWIW, I have considered a joystick for the UI on Aurora, but with the ability to record and playback it's motion (like the hartmann neuron) but that's a long way off.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 February 2013 19:05, James Coplin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I was talking about the VS mainly, not the PPG. The VS does have a complex envelope generator with looping etc. It also has a special envelope dedicated to the joystick which is the real magic. Check out section 8 of the VS manual for more info:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/pvs/pvs_user.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/pvs/pvs_user.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You should definitely put these in the Aurora! ;) These two envelopes more than anything are responsible for the VS sound capabilities. I tended to use the joystick envelope more than using the joystick in real-time but it was a nice performance tool.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James R. Coplin</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Maddox<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Music-bar<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: DSI Prophet 12</span></font></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">James,</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> The PPG doesn't have complex looping ADSRs, sorry. in fact it has a standard ADSR for VCF and VCA and a single AD EG for a 3rd EG (pitch).</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> I'd be interested to see the LFO routing options, yes the joystick was good, but if you can do the same with an LFO or an ADSR then it's not a big loss IMHO. I suspect Dave avoided the joystick on purpose so people wouldn't compare it to the VS.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 5 February 2013 14:31, James Coplin <<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Unless I’m missing something it looks very little like a VS to me! It appears to only have standard ADSR envelopes, not the multi, looping, complex types of the PPG. It is also lacking a joystick and the joystick mixing envelope. Without these two, even if it has all the VS waveforms, it can’t do the essential things to sound like a VS.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James R. Coplin</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Maddox<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Music-bar<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: DSI Prophet 12</span></font></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I gotta say, I don't see a lot of difference between the Prophet 12 and the VS.</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4 oscillators, digital waves, analogue VCF/VCA, tonne of LFOs and modulation options.</span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">so I'd see the Prophet 12 as a VS with extras.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 5 February 2013 10:52, Gert van Santen <<a href="mailto:g.vansanten@upcmail.nl" target="_blank">g.vansanten@upcmail.nl</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Op 5-2-2013 11:46, Michael Zacherl schreef:</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">pssst: <a href="http://www.wavemeister.net/?p=4348" target="_blank">http://www.wavemeister.net/?p=4348</a></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br><br>Beautiful....<font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888"><br><br><span>-- </span><br><span>gert van santen</span><br>
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