James,<div><br></div><div> Thanks for the input, let's see what happens with Aurora, there's a long way to go yet :)</div><div><br></div><div>Paul<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 February 2013 20:20, James Coplin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m actually not super enamored with joysticks myself. I do however love the mixer envelope which could be implemented without a joystick. The great thing on the VS and Wavestation was this four input mixer that you used the envelope to pan around on. I hardly ever touched the joystick but pretty much every patch had the mixer envelope going. This feature was one of the main reasons I picked up an Origin as I was hoping to get the VS type sounds out of it since it had the mixer and the waveforms but I just didn’t get on well enough with it to justify keeping it for that. Not that my recommendations mean anything but an interface that had this vector mixing with envelope but not necessarily the stick itself would be satisfactory for most cases and far simpler that a dedicated recording stick – as cool as that would be.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James R. Coplin</span></font></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Maddox<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:53 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Music-bar<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: DSI Prophet 12</span></font></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">James,</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Thanks for the link, I'll heave a read up.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Aurora may not have al these features, but I do have some ideas for future projects.</span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">FWIW, I have considered a joystick for the UI on Aurora, but with the ability to record and playback it's motion (like the hartmann neuron) but that's a long way off.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 5 February 2013 19:05, James Coplin <<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I was talking about the VS mainly, not the PPG. The VS does have a complex envelope generator with looping etc. It also has a special envelope dedicated to the joystick which is the real magic. Check out section 8 of the VS manual for more info:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/pvs/pvs_user.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/pvs/pvs_user.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You should definitely put these in the Aurora! ;) These two envelopes more than anything are responsible for the VS sound capabilities. I tended to use the joystick envelope more than using the joystick in real-time but it was a nice performance tool.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James R. Coplin</span></font></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Maddox<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Music-bar<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: DSI Prophet 12</span></font></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">James,</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> The PPG doesn't have complex looping ADSRs, sorry. in fact it has a standard ADSR for VCF and VCA and a single AD EG for a 3rd EG (pitch).</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> I'd be interested to see the LFO routing options, yes the joystick was good, but if you can do the same with an LFO or an ADSR then it's not a big loss IMHO. I suspect Dave avoided the joystick on purpose so people wouldn't compare it to the VS.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 5 February 2013 14:31, James Coplin <<a href="mailto:james@ticalun.net" target="_blank">james@ticalun.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Unless I’m missing something it looks very little like a VS to me! It appears to only have standard ADSR envelopes, not the multi, looping, complex types of the PPG. It is also lacking a joystick and the joystick mixing envelope. Without these two, even if it has all the VS waveforms, it can’t do the essential things to sound like a VS.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James R. Coplin</span></font></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org" target="_blank">music-bar-bounces@lists.music-bar.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Maddox<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Music-bar<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: DSI Prophet 12</span></font></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I gotta say, I don't see a lot of difference between the Prophet 12 and the VS.</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4 oscillators, digital waves, analogue VCF/VCA, tonne of LFOs and modulation options.</span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">so I'd see the Prophet 12 as a VS with extras.</span></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul</span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 5 February 2013 10:52, Gert van Santen <<a href="mailto:g.vansanten@upcmail.nl" target="_blank">g.vansanten@upcmail.nl</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Op 5-2-2013 11:46, Michael Zacherl schreef:</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">pssst: <a href="http://www.wavemeister.net/?p=4348" target="_blank">http://www.wavemeister.net/?p=4348</a></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br><br>Beautiful....<font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888"><br><br>-- <br>gert van santen<br><a href="http://www.gertvansanten.nl" target="_blank">www.gertvansanten.nl</a></span></font></span></font></p>
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