<div>Jay,</div>
<div>Actually i m quite curious but I still doubt ...</div>
<div>Let me/us know about your/their electricity bill for the next winter in Vienna :) </div>
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<div>I wonder if people are ready to pay more to get less kW/Hour, so less comfort for an ecological point of view ... </div>
<div>I wonder if the construction process of the solar receivers are ecological specially for the chemicals used ...</div>
<div>I wonder about the maintenance of them ... </div>
<div>I wonder if all those new kind of energy catcher as solar receivers,wind turbines etc could be soon a new tax for tomorrow ?</div>
<div>One stupid example : "for landscape view or for natural reserve" , the tourism economy of a country will be influenced by those system installation for an environment point of view :</div>
<div>A lot of solar system and wind turbines are not super enjoyable for the touristic pov, specially if those systems are everywhere in the world for the sake of being ecological and knowing that the demography goes up, we will always need more :) ... ( it s like the antennas for mobile telephones, everybody want connection with 3G Internet crap but no ones want the antennas in their area for landscape view reasons or health ... it s quite a paradox I must confess ... ) </div>
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<div>Or the other way around : Society promotes those new technology to be 'ecological' ...So you and other good fraternal citizen ( swallowing all the crap from the politics) invest to get those systems ... but the money made in the past by the old system won't be there anymore ... what will do the politics of the society for what is missing? A new Law for a new tax ??? ( they always have good imagination and good blabla for this kind of topic ...) </div>
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<div>Also I wonder what will happen for people who don't have their own house or property ? (living in a building with a roof area as the same size as a big house but with 100 peoples instead of a normal family ... ? how to supply them energetically wise ?)</div>
<div>Will they pay the high price for energy from electricity company when some have properties and can use the new technology to pay less by all means ? </div>
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<div>Maybe the electricity company ( ie EDF in france) could use your solar receivers or wind turbines energy ( if the energy is not used by your family or because it's quite difficult to keep the energy with the technology of now days ) to share it with people who don't have any ... but at which cost ? and who get the jackpot in the story ? You ?, the electricity company ? or the politics taxing it because they need money too !? </div>
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<div>All those new respectful Natural system technology seem interesting money wise at the first place, but in the end It could be just a new tax-trap( as i mentioned before)... Just like what is petrol in Europe/World now days and all the Coal industry for energy ... ( what can you do when you need energy and can t make without it ??? )</div>
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<div>Ask Sakozy-Gadaffi-Hu Jintao ... I think they know what's going on but they won t answer you ...</div>
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<div>For me Politics are very very good to be guilty but are never responsible for all the propositions given to solve energy problems when this one IS obligatory combined with economy ( if those new system are cheaper where goes the money missed from the old system taxed ? I won t be surprised that politics will tax the new ones for capitalistic reasons and because some countries in Europe have debts.( and not a small one ) ... </div>
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<div>Also,</div>
<div>I wonder why in some countries I got money back from plastic bottle when i bring them back to the shop (25cents by bottle in NL)</div>
<div>In france from the same price in the shop I have to bring the bottle in a plastic container for recycle ... </div>
<div>But wait a sec ... where goes the 25cents per bottle ? hmmm specially when it s multiply by few millions citizen doing the job selection !...</div>
<div>I think some people make a lot of money with the ECOLOGICAL reasons when gentle people like you or me are just f***ed (money wise) in time ... </div>
<div>And I don t talk about the new tax of few Euros every time I take the plane ... </div>
<div>Again where goes the damn money?? It seems it's used to grow new forest in the Amazon hmmm quite damn expensive the seeds and plantations process ... </div>
<div>It s not just us who are f***ed but it seems that the trees and forests are too ! </div>
<div>The Oxygen tax is on this way and more will come for sure !!!!! ( or maybe should we change the way how this world is functioning but who get the balls ?) </div>
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<div>Nb: I like the way how Finnish people built an underground city under Helsinki ... One of their plan is to welcome some companies like facebook or even maybe google etc to cool their data system with the Baltic sea instead to use a lot of electricity to do the job ... </div>
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<div>Already heard of it ? </div>
<div><a href="http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/14/helsinkis-underground-master-plan/">http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/14/helsinkis-underground-master-plan/</a></div></div>
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<div>Of course as always, I hope to be wrong .... for the sake of a better Utopian Humanity ... </div>
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<div>Anyway, I wish you all a nice week end ! </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:06 PM, ibi sum <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ibisum@gmail.com">ibisum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">> Depending on size of house and<br>> the size of your roof, you can get close enough. But then I look at the<br>> more densely populated areas and I wonder if there's ever enough roof<br>> space...<br>
<br><br></div>Funny enough my in-laws are getting a roof-top electricity panel setup<br>next week, to replace their current heating oil setup, and it means that<br>there will be more room in the basement (since the oil tank is coming<br>
out) and they will be getting paid for the power they don't use and put<br>back on the grid .. going to be very interesting to see it.<br><br>--<br><br><br>;<br><font color="#888888">--<br>ibi sum<br>::: :::<br></font>
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