<div>Tony,</div>
<div>first of all thank you for your input :)</div>
<div>All in all to be sincere : </div>
<div>I m just looking for harmony (NOT FREEDOM)...and as the most of the people know on the music bar (i guess) , it s not a easy task even in simplest structure as a music-band in general ( it s a pain in the a*s). </div>
<div>Between struggling or escaping I will choose for escape ( i think it s still the best )... </div>
<div>then the question is what happen if I/we can t escape or struggle. ?</div>
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<div>"Inhibition of action" will appear and give stuff like psycho-somatic illness (depressions, heart disease,etc ),I should mention this type of illness are not really developed in poor countries as Africa . </div>
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<div>I think it s what I am ... i m just a citizen who pay taxes ( more and more to get less and less) ... </div>
<div>I m not a politician ...</div>
<div>the fact is I can t escape (the question is where ?) and I can t fight ( the question is with what ?);) ...</div>
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<div>The only thing that I got is words ( with science when possible, but not everyone is scientific ).</div>
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<div>To be realistic and "stoic" ;):</div>
<div> I'm facing death in the eyes and try to be prepared for worse in this life ... </div>
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<div>Better to prevent than to cure :) </div>
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<div>Cheers my good friend ! :D</div>
<div>and of course peace is there when the spirit is ;) </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Tony Hardie-Bick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony@entity.net">tony@entity.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Romain - you and me, we share the same spirit, but different thoughts ;)<br><br>If there is somebody who tries and does their best, and struggles, then I am for<br>
him or her, because they try. And if there is a place where people must defend<br>against those who struggle, then this is a place where the strugglers are most<br>needed. And if there is a place where every person is descended from a<br>
struggler, then I would live there, in spirit, or perhaps in person, and the<br>name of this place is anywhere, because there is no place, where the people are<br>not descended from those who arrived from somewhere else to make a better life,<br>
once upon a time.<br><br>Peace between you and me, as always, because you make me think carefully about<br>these things.<br><br>Tony (HB)<br>
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<div class="Wj3C7c"><br>Romain / rXg wrote:<br>> Peter,<br>><br>> Imo, what you wrote is all about Europe in general from Malta to Finland<br>> ...<br>> The solution for me will be something censured .<br>
> Do you think we should make a "Central park" or something like that for<br>> them ?<br>> with sauna,swimming pool and churches etc etc ??<br>> what I believe : you give them a finger and they take your arm ,plus<br>
> knowing that the s***t in their original/own countries are not solve (<br>> corruptions ??) ,and won t be solve if we carry on this way...<br>> The problem will become bigger and bigger ... As you said and see during<br>
> this last years in Malta , you should be prepare for worse .<br>><br>> Politically I don t want to be "left or right"( what is right and left<br>> in the end?),<br>> Recently I mention to people that I am just "above" . ;)<br>
><br>> We are so FREE that we can t talk freely because THEIR FREEDOM !!!<br>> Democracy is not freedom of speech ... but people believe in this so ...<br>> Well, what can I say is that I m not a fan of Jesus Christ Utopia ...<br>
> btw those people on this island are they Christians in general ? ;)<br>><br>><br>> Peace doesn t mean absence of war ... specially during a<br>> diplomatic continental invasion ...<br>> or should I call this escape or exile from their own countries ???<br>
><br>> the Romans did this technique with the Greeks ,as the barbarians did<br>> with them after all... Long long time ago ... but not so long ago ...<br>><br>> Well I'm afraid that humans ( Homo sapiens ? ) will make again the same<br>
> mistake as they did in the past ...<br>><br>> It's all about ignorance I guess ...<br>> Also I should mention there is a difference between believing and knowing .<br>> The "smart" people,thinkers,politics,leaders etc , are a<br>
> minority,but,they are elected by a majority who become day after day<br>> ,year after year more and more dumb ( with the help of technology<br>> maybe?? ) ...<br>> Believing in words as FREEDOM and swallowing every lies that "politics "<br>
> make them to believe in .why ? Because, it seems, that we are in a<br>> decadence period , where morals and ethics are far gone ...Politic<br>> guys want to be elected for actually get power where power is only<br>
> measured by money ( capitalist system) or to satisfy their own<br>> Narcissistic Ego ...<br>> Even if one of them is the exception he won t be able to act directly to<br>> solve this type of problem ... cause human right and blablabla ....<br>
> Do you make an omelette without breaking eggs ?<br>><br>> Then, don t you think it s not good for them (politic guys ) to get this<br>> kind of people(exiled people; who believe in FREEDOM even if they can't<br>
> make it by them self in their own countries but "give" by us in our own<br>> countries, while during this time we can see our standard rules started<br>> to be against us .<br>><br>> This is the beauty of democracy my friend ...<br>
> it s all about number .<br>><br>> All in all , don t get me wrong :<br>> I repeat myself I wish I could be wrong ... ;)<br>> i will prefer to live in something like "beautiful world" ...<br>> well for me it s not beautiful , it s dirty and also I can smell the<br>
> smell becoming worse.<br>><br>> Cheers<br>> Romain<br>> Ps: sorry for my spelling mistake. ... :S<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Peter Korsten <<a href="mailto:peter@severity-one.com">peter@severity-one.com</a><br></div></div>
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<div class="Wj3C7c">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:peter@severity-one.com">peter@severity-one.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> About time for a political posting...<br>><br>> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7848786.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7848786.stm</a><br>
><br>> The thing is, it's all good and well that the UN criticises the Italian<br>> government for the conditions in the camp, but with almost 32,000<br>> immigrants arriving on a total population of 6,000, that's pretty much<br>
> untenable. Before, they would be sent to the Italian mainland and either<br>> disappear or bribe their way out (it's Italy, after all) and so make<br>> their way into Europe. And whilst the current Italian government is a<br>
> bunch of right-wing bastards, processing the asylum requests on<br>> Lampedusa is clearly meant as a deterrent.<br>><br>> Which means that they'll be going to the next closest destination:<br>
> Malta. And trust me, we already have a *big* problem here. In those<br>> eight years I've lived here, the amount of Africans you see walking<br>> around has grown exponentially. In 2001, you saw maybe one black face a<br>
> year, now they literally arrive in boatloads, especially since EU<br>> ascension.<br>><br>> They shred or dispose of their documents, so they can't be repatriated,<br>> which means they're stuck on this island that doesn't want them, and<br>
> where they don't want to be either.<br>><br>> One of the results is an increase in xenophobia, and there have been<br>> other nasty incidents with people who are involved with immigrants.<br>
><br>> And Malta has been criticised as well for its treatment of immigrants,<br>> but what solution is being offered? This is not a rich country, it's a<br>> very full country, and nobody is offering any help.<br>
><br>> Just to show a perspective on the news...<br>><br>> - Peter<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> music-bar mailing list<br></div></div>> <a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:music-bar@lists.music-bar.org">music-bar@lists.music-bar.org</a>><br>
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