Patchbay woes...

Andrew Tarpinian andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 19:56:15 CEST 2014 

I was looking at fairly inexpensive stuff, like: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ER12/8/

And while it’s not bad and does the job, I was questioning paying, really anything, for something I wasn’t really jazzed about. Plus the accessories are so over priced. 

VS something like this: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/50/38/7f50388d7e7dd68fa8e124e2694b6faf.jpg

$15 a piece for the nightstands, some wheels, some screw, some rack rails. Will make a nice Easter project when I am home I think :)


On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Romain / rXg <xtechcode at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rack Furniture , maybe second hand ?
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> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Andrew Tarpinian <andrewtarpinian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to know as far as cables. I may try a pair as my monitors are a hummin’
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> Looking at rack furniture makes me sad inside. Doge says: Such high price, so low quality, wow
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> I think I’m gonna do a double Ikea Rast on casters, will look better and cost a fraction.
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem at outlook.com> wrote:
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>> I like that patchbay!  Mine is the old kind that you have to flip the cards on to change.  I'd prefer the switches.  If I ever come across $400, I might replace mine.
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>> On balanced v/s unbalanced:  I don't think balanced cables will earn you anything in a small studio environment.  If you had very long cable runs it can be worth it (100ft or more), but nothing that you are going to have in a small home studio is going to require that kind of length.  
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>> My studio is very quiet and its been running on the same cheap HOSA cables for the better part of 10 years.  In that time, I've probably had 4 go bad.  
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>> Tony
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>> From: andrewtarpinian at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
>> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:33:00 -0400
>> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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>> Yea this at first made sense, and made me understand the concept better. But then I realized that for my situation that would not really work out like that for me, and that made me more confused. The ADA8000 looks interesting, I wonder why there are not more like this at that price point? It’s nice to be able to use the digital io of your interface without having a big digital mixer. Though I think this may not be so great for me because you are then so reliant on the computer to route.
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>> I was looking at this patchbay since it’s very easy to change the modes (switches)
>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus/
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>> What does everyone think about balanced vs unbalanced cables? I have only used unbalanced up until now, though I do have gear that is balanced. I’m thinking of getting them for my monitors since I am getting hum in them currently. Since I am going to be buying a shit load of cables should I just buy all balanced?
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>> Thanks for everyones help.
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>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tony Scharf <entropymagnet at noisetheorem.com> wrote:
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>> >>Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ 
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>> I certainly don't agree with the common wisdom.  It works if you have as much gear as you have mixer channels and you have a default setup that you always want to have, but it also hides what's going on behind the rack.  The entire point of a patch bay, in my opinion, is to bring those connections to one place up front and center where you can figure out what's going where just by looking at it.  I treat my rig very similarly to how I treat my modular synth so any default is going to end up highly modified anyway. 
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>> Tony
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>> From: xtechcode at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: Patchbay woes...
>> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:13:20 +0200
>> To: music-bar at lists.music-bar.org
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>> I remember talking with Joost about Pachtbay …
>> Far as i know in theory “A patch bay is well configured if it has nothing patched on the front … “ 
>> if you have a cable patched  on the front it s just to redirect the signal to something else than your default routing …
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>> I m using a patch bay with adat 8000 and sound card (8in/out)
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>> I tried to set it in a kind of  logical way ( also using sticker can be useful to know what is what) ..
>> See below, maybe my drawing will inspire you :)
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>> < /div>
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>> -From TOP at the back  1 to 8  I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed  in // to the Bottom  from 1 to 8  which are routed  to my input sound card (rme). 
>> -From TOP at the back  13 to 20 I plugged the instruments i mostly used then they are routed  in // to the Bottom  from 13 to 20  which are routed  to the Adat in 
>> -From TOP at the back 9 to 12 I plugged 4 outputs from the sound card ( nb: 9 and 10 are routed // to the bottom 9 and 10 )
>> -From TOP at the back from 21 to 24 I plugged 4 outputs from Adat out
>> -From Bottom at the back  9 and 10 are routed to minidisk in  ( yes i still have a minidisk :-) 
>> -From Bottom at the back 23 is routed to my Guitar  pedal fx
>> -From Bottom at the back 24  is routed to my guitar rack   fx
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>> nb:  Bottom 11, 12, 21, 22 : I don’t used …
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>>                    INSTRUMENTS                                               INSTRUMENTS
>>                 /    |    |    |    |    |    \   \     AUDIO OUT       /     /      |      |      |      |      \             ADAT OUT
>> T O P    : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24
>>                |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |     |    |                    |       |      |      |      |      |      |      |
>> Bottom : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24
>>                \    |    |    |    |    |    |    /     \   /                      \       \      |      |      |      /      /    /                   |     |
>>                -  Soundcard RME in -  -  MD  -                    -           ADAT IN                 -             -RP10-   -  Rocktron -
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>> Romain
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>> On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:56, Andrew Tarpinian <andrewtarpinian at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Getting my first patchbay(s).
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>> I can patch a modular synth no prob, but getting my head around ordering and setting up a patchbay, really makes it hurt :( 
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>> Is it just me?
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>> Also i’m dreading actually figuring out how many cables I need to have EVERYTHING hooked up.
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