192khz .. playback fidelity lower than 44.1khz?

Tony Scharf noisetheorem at gmail.com
Wed Mar 7 03:05:55 CET 2012


As the guy who played industrial shows for 20 years and only has one
functioning ear to begin with...

I don't here the difference.

Tony

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Tony Hardie-Bick <tony at entity.net> wrote:
> On 06/03/12 23:37, Christian Borg wrote:
>>
>> (But even with all reading I always wonder about 24bit vs 32bit FP and if
>> it
>> actually does any difference for me soundwise. Guess I'm destined to back
>> and
>> forth there ...)
>
>
> until about a month ago I would swear that 224 kbps or similar vbr mp3 was
> good enough for my ears. then i got into Steve Roach (so far: "The
> Magnificent Void" and "Mystic Chords & Scared Spaces - some of the best
> ambient music I have ever heard...)
>
> At the start of the first track of Mystic Chords (jeez, crap title...),
> "Palace of Nectar" the main melody is way back in the mix, behind an entire
> rain forest and un-nameable analogue synths (well, Oberheim, if one
> must...), and I wondered if I would hear a difference with an uncompressed
> original. So I grabbed a Flac of the same piece, and... yep, really there's
> a difference. It's subtle, but major.
>
> Here's the piece I'm talking about (compressed, obviously):
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b09Xg9KF-PI
>
> Let me describe the difference carefully, as it is quite weird.
>
> The melody is "louder" in the mix in the flac version. You hear it coming in
> just that bit sooner as it emerges and disappears against the mush of
> surrounding texture.
>
> There is a power to the music which is absent in the mp3. Also stereo
> detail. It's a quality of awareness, too.
>
> These are very subjective values, I know.
>
> I cannot listen to the mp3 version any more.
>
> And so now, with much of my music in 224 (approx, vbr etc) mp3, I'm freaked
> out about what might be missing elsewhere.
>
> The Steve Roach material is the supreme test however. I have piano music,
> for example, where I'd be less concerned that I could tell the difference.
>
> But am I right?
>
> 64 bits and counting...
>
> Tony (HB)
>
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